OT: Star Trek Nemesis

[Magnum357]

And another thing, I resent people saying that ST2 was single minded. It was probably one of the finest Star Trek shows ever made!

I agree with Hadrian, all those points it talked about in the movie made it really feel that you were on board the Enterprise in real life. When I first watched it (and even today), it felt real and beleiveble.

And if it is soooo simplistic, maybe that is whats missing about Star Trek anymore. They try to make it too complex so it ruins the story.

[Magnum357]

Hey Deathstalker, are you sure about that with B5 and DS9? I may be wrong on this, but I think you might be a little confused. I heard their was a bit of contraversy about which story was written first, B5 or DS9, but I never heard anything that suggested that the writer for B5 approached Paramount to include his story arc to Star Trek.

[gregebowman]

The absolute best thing that ever came out of the Star Trek universe, according to me, is 'Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan'. It was an unbelievably bad script, but was done very well. To me, this is what Star Trek is. ONE main plot, the starship all by itself solving its problem, action, using skill over technology [what star trek was until late TNG decided it was technology over skill].

Realistically, Star Trek died with Rodenberry. The rest are merely cover-bands or Elvis impersonators.[/QB]

The one thing about Wrath of Kahn I could never digest is the fact you don't know who Kahn's followers are. They're too young to be the original followers, yet look to old to be children. The only one who could have been an original member was Joquain, and he obviously not the same actor who was in "Space Seed". And again, he looks too young to be Joquain. So what's the deal?

And I agree. I think the spirit of Trek died when Roddenberry died.

[Ragnarok]

"I don't want anybody to tell me any spoilers, but is this going to be the Last show of the TNG crew? I've heard on a few occassions that it could be. "

Ok, to say this and not spoil shouldn't be too hard to do. But if you watch the trailer it says "A generations final journy..." if you take that and add into the rumors about it and yes this will be the final movie with the TNG cast. It's disappointing to me as this was my favorite cast of them all.

"I guess it would make sense too if it was the Last show of the TNG cast, 15 years and Riker still won't make captain??? Maybe he is scared of the big chair huh?"

Yeah, 15 years has gone by quick. Of course I don't remember the first 5 of that but hey it's all good. I've seen just about every episode that TNG had. And I wasn't even old enough to know what's going on when it started. (re-runs help with that department) I still watch re-runs on TNN.

But yeah, maybe Riker is scared of the big chair. But if you recall during the TV series that many-a-time he was offered the job of captian. But he didn't take it due to the fact that he loved the Enterprise and John-Luc. So looking at that my guess is that he won't take that job due to just that, he loves the ship and crew too much to leave and take command of his own ship.

[DirectorTsaarx]

Originally posted by Magnum357:
One more question I do have about this Nemisis Movie. I don't want anybody to tell me any spoilers, but is this going to be the Last show of the TNG crew? I've heard on a few occassions that it could be.

I've heard that it WAS going to be the Last TNG movie, but the actors had such a good time making it that they decided they'd be willing to do another one...

BTW - My opinion about Captain Kirk (and William Shatner, too) has seesawed a bit; he became something of a caricature for a while, but I think Shatner himself has become more interesting recently, and watching the old movies & shows has gotten more enjoyable... well, except for Star Trek 5... I agree that Picard was a much more believable captain, but Kirk was fun to watch. Janeway was practically manic-depressive; one moment she'd be bending over backwards to accommodate some idiot alien or whiny crew member, and then she'd be firing a full spread of torps & phasers at an unarmed vessel. Cisco, well, I liked him as Hawk in the old Spenser series; and I have to admit I enjoyed some of the "fluff" episodes in DS9. Real life has prevented me from watching Enterprise...

[geoschmo]

Director, regarding Janeway, haven't you ever heard that it's woman's perogative to change her mind?

[capnq]

15 years and Riker still won't make captain???

The future Version of Riker in "All Good Things" was an admiral.

[Ragnarok]

"I've heard that it WAS going to be the Last TNG movie, but the actors had such a good time making it that they decided they'd be willing to do another one..."

That'd be cool if they did another one. Although just because they are willing to do another one doesn't mean that they will be in another one. I believe I heard some place that Brent Spiner (Data) was the only one to say that his role in the movies and shows has gotten boring. But that's just what I heard. It probably isn't true.

[Ragnarok]

Originally posted by capnq:
The future Version of Riker in "All Good Things" was an admiral.

That is true. I think once Picard is too old to captain a ship he'll move on. But as long as Picard is in control of the Enterprise then Riker will always be #1. IMHO.

[disabled]

Actually, several trek cast members were surprised by the tagline. But I think that's required since Nemesis paid out 20million to picard and data each in salary. The film's budget was 70million. They said they might make a few mixed crew or even an entirely new crew for the next films or, if this one really makes money, a sequel to nemesis....
They said that about insurrection and even filmed and alternate ending.......

Spiner said he was tired of the role and felt he couldn't move forward, so they wrote him out for good. They wrote in the character B-9 incase spiner wanted to return.

As for Riker, he said he was after the Enterprise... Maybe they should have wrote a subplot for riker working with shizon.... Anyways, riker gets to move on.

B5 v. DS9 scandal... JMS pitched the series to a few paramount executives who turned it down. A year later, just before B5 went into production, DS9 was announced. The basically, the claim is DS9 stole B5's basic story outline. There is some merit to the claim, then again there isn't. B5 had 4 wars in 5 season. DS9 had 3 wars in 7 season. Also, JMS didn't pitch it to the Trek guys. The people responsible for the other crappy UPN sci-fi got the pitch

[ June 16, 2003, 05:19: Message edited by: General Talashar ]