warp point opening technology - How?

[MegaTrain]

Originally posted by raynor:
The *cautious* way to use warp openers is to also use warp closers. On the same turn, you can open a warp point, send a fleet through and then close the warp point. Talk about your ultimate hit and run technique...

Have you gotten this to work in a simultaneous game?

I've recently figured out how to open a warp point and send a fleet through in one turn, but my technique only works for destination systems you've explored. Here's how I do it:

Give the Stellar Manip ship the order to open the warp point to the other system, and give the fleet the order to "move to" the other system. The fleet will start to take the "long way around" but will notice the newly opened warp point, turn around, and go through.

But you can't give a fleet the order to "move to" a far away system if the system is either unexplored or if there is no connecting "path" (however long) between them.

I guess for closing I could imagine giving a second stellar manip ship the order to move away a couple of sectors, return to the original warp point, and then close it (to ensure the fleet made it through before you close it). But you can't give the ship the order to close a warp point if your ship is not on a warp point already.

Alright--this should work:
1. Start with the fleet and the warp opener in the same sector, at least 4 or 5 sectors away from the closest other warp point.
2. Start the warp closer on one of the existing warp points in the system, within one turn's movement from the ship and fleet.
3. Give the opener orders to open a warp point to the distant system.
4. Give the fleet orders to move to a key planet or target in the remote system.
5. Give the closer ship orders to move to the new warp point and then close it.

This should work because you can give the closer ship orders because its on an existing warp point, and it will move and then close the newly-opened one.

You still need to have seen the distant system, though. Is this the method you use? Or were you talking about solo games?