New option Idea for SE4 - Surrendering

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Originally posted by Repo Man:
I confess that I have not had as much time to play as I want, in fact, SEIV is not on my HD right now (not to worry, as soon as I have time to play, its going back).

Maybe I missed it in game play, but an empire can surrender to another empire it is not at war with?

If this is how it is, seems to me surrender should be limited to those empires currently at war with the surrenderor.

Surrendering to a friend is kind of silly IMHO.

I agree with this idea more so than the others -- "surrender", by my definition, means to "cease hostile action against a superior foe and accept all terms set forth by said foe". And what would I call hostile action? War.

So, if you're not at war with someone, how the heck could you surrender to them? You can easily be subjugated, but that would require the subjugator to either offer that position to you, or else force it upon you (which would then make it surrender =P). Alternatively, you could request to be subjugated, which would be a Last-ditch effort against being forced to surrender to your enemies.

To put it into numbers, there are absolutely zero non-abusive ways of surrendering to an ally in SE4's scope. If you're surrendering to an ally, you're cheating.

There's still a way of cheating, even if this is implemented -- just declare war on an ally, then surrender to them.

Perhaps the only way of surrendering would be if an enemy has a ship in your home system? (That too could be abused, but not as easily.)

In any case, whatever Malfador comes up with, someone will just find a way of abusing it. I say go for making it only work for people you've declared war with, then let the chips fall where they may from there.


New Politics options?:
Surrender - immediately surrender to an enemy (i.e. must have declared war)
Propose Subjugation Treaty (Subjugatee) - request that an ally/neutral/enemy subjugates you
Propose Subjugation Treaty (Subjugator) - request that an ally/neutral/enemy becomes your subjugate