intelligence projects chances of success

tesco samoa · #1 January 21st, 2003, 10:59 PM

I know that was the way it was in 1.67

Perhaps this change came with the conVersion to seiv gold.

But counter intel has worked that way for quite a while

Wanderer · #2 January 21st, 2003, 11:00 PM

As you've discovered, never tell your intel agents to steal 'any technology' - always tell them exactly what area to go for. The random element inherent in 'any technology' is huge (and annoying), as most of the time you'll already have the techs they steal.

couslee · #3 January 21st, 2003, 11:07 PM

Lol Wanderer. excellent point, and well taken.

The reason I chose "any tech" was based on the possible assumption that it would have a greater chance of sucess with the "third hurdle".
I still think that could be programmed in as well, along with the sucessfull attack actually giving you something.
Sure, in my example, I would have loved to got the sensor advance, but any other advance would also have been fine. having a "sucessfull" attack net nothing is... poor.

couslee · #4 January 22nd, 2003, 10:35 AM

something else I noticed, I wonder what impact it has, if any.

if you have combat with another race, the tech levels for the ship you fought show up on the "tech" tab when looking at that race's info. When you have a successfull "tech report" intel attack, that information is not added to the tech tab for the race. Personally, I think it should, but whatever.

Q · #5 January 22nd, 2003, 11:33 AM

I used intel to steal technology quite frequently in my current game and if the projects were successful always got quite valuable new technology (as stellar manipulation). And I used as you the "any" option! Perhaps I was just lucky.

Wanderer · #6 January 22nd, 2003, 07:58 PM

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if you have combat with another race, the tech levels for the ship you fought show up on the "tech" tab when looking at that race's info. When you have a successfull "tech report" intel attack, that information is not added to the tech tab for the race. Personally, I think it should, but whatever.

If you click on your own race, the tech tab actually says 'technology used on our ships' not 'all the technology we know'. I guess the same applies to other races, even though it says 'known technology'. I agree with you that it would be good if was expanded to show all techs you know they've got.

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I used intel to steal technology quite frequently in my current game and if the projects were successful always got quite valuable new technology (as stellar manipulation). And I used as you the "any" option! Perhaps I was just lucky.

Lucky *******! It's not done anything like that for me! Ever.

couslee · #7 January 22nd, 2003, 08:53 PM

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Originally posted by Q:
I used intel to steal technology quite frequently in my current game and if the projects were successful always got quite valuable new technology (as stellar manipulation). And I used as you the "any" option! Perhaps I was just lucky.

Sounds like it. during those games, did your race setting have any "cleverness" bounses? Not that I am even going to attempt the math, but perhaps a 5% cleverness bonus also gives a hidden 10% increase in chance to snoop sucessfully... as example.
hell, even a 1% increase in the chance of passing hurdle 3 would make a big difference.

I "beta played" this for a while, since I had the game saved. and made a new save after each turn. I kinda wanted to see how the chance of sucess was. only that first time, and about the eighth time did I get a useless tech. the other 8 tries (I did it for ten turns) i recived the message "nothing valuable" found, meaning it didn't pass hurdle 3. now if that attempt only has a 20% chance of sucess, then you certainly should get a good tech when sucessfull

I realise the 10 attempts is not enough of an event base for determining chance percentages.

maybe I was just that unlucky. naw, this should be fixed imo.