Proportions....

[PvK]

Small Starliners are just there to provide the ability to move population without researching up to Med Transport. Since Med Transport is fairly quick to get, this may make them too inefficient to be a worthwhile choice, with no way to retrofit them into something efficient. In a way this makes sense, but it would be more interesting if they could be retrofit into something more efficient, although I haven't found an easy way to do so when I thought about it before. There's probably something, though.

What are you thinking about Starliner Modules? They are intended to allow the maximum population capacity per ship, as was requested by players. They're especially good in those situations where you need to get the maximum number of people off a planet in a relatively short time. They're supposed to be attractive choices for population transports, and unattractive for other transport types.

As for the auto-upgrade button, I think it's a hopeless cause, because of how inflexible upgrades are in SE4. I've chosen to use them to make it possible to do some logical transformation of facilities, as requested by some players, for expensive facilities, allowing planetary development without so much scrapping. Because there are some interesting choices involved, it will almost never make sense to issue empire-wide "upgrade facilities" orders. Even in unmodded SE4, I almost always find that button to be more of a booby trap than a help. As for morphing projects in progress, I've only ever seen that when somehow the ministers seize control of the empire, through deliberate or forgetful player minister settings. I don't think the "Upgrade All Facilities" button will do that - will it?

PvK

[steveh11]

Originally posted by PvK:

As for the auto-upgrade button, I think it's a hopeless cause, because of how inflexible upgrades are in SE4. I've chosen to use them to make it possible to do some logical transformation of facilities, as requested by some players, for expensive facilities, allowing planetary development without so much scrapping. Because there are some interesting choices involved, it will almost never make sense to issue empire-wide "upgrade facilities" orders. Even in unmodded SE4, I almost always find that button to be more of a booby trap than a help.
PvK

Well, YMMV (and it obviously does) but I always used to use the empire-wide "upgrade facilities" button in vanilla SE4, and miss it's use in Proportions. Not enough to stop playing Proportions mind, but I do wonder why you can't upgrade smoothly from one type of facility to the next.

Steve.

[Suicide Junkie]

Not enough to stop playing Proportions mind, but I do wonder why you can't upgrade smoothly from one type of facility to the next.

Because you're only allowed to upgrade to the Last Version of the facility you've researched.
His point is that you will not always want to do that in proportions, and it may even be a bad move.

[steveh11]

Originally posted by Suicide Junkie:

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Not enough to stop playing Proportions mind, but I do wonder why you can't upgrade smoothly from one type of facility to the next.

Because you're only allowed to upgrade to the Last Version of the facility you've researched.
His point is that you will not always want to do that in proportions, and it may even be a bad move.

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Why shouldn't I be able to promote my Research Centres, eventually, into Research Megaplexes? Instead I have to knock down the Centres, build Complexes, promote those, then knockthem down to build Megaplexes. It's this kind of thing that feels counter-intuitive, and it's the one big thing in Proportions that I don't like.

Steve

[PsychoTechFreak]

Originally posted by PvK:
What are you thinking about Starliner Modules?

Compared with a stack of cargo I components the overall costs are slightly higher, as far as I recall from here. The organics are more expensive, the minerals go down a bit, but overall you have to pay more. Plus, the medium transports with sl modules get a malus in defense. Because of the over-proportional higher costs, I rarely use the higher cargo II+III also, but that's another story.

Originally posted by PvK:
I don't think the "Upgrade All Facilities" button will do that - will it?

I am not quite sure what your question is about. With the upgrade all Facilities button all of the Facilities in progress (which could be many years/centuries in Proportions) upgrade to the highest facilities available. I often use this (maybe I am kind of cheating by doing this?) and start building nature shrine II and in parallel I research shrines III and then I press upgrade all facilities so this entry changes to nature shrine III. But on the other hand this procedure also creates a mess in almost everyone of the space port, cities, resupply and similar facilities.

PTF

[PvK]

Originally posted by steveh11:
Why shouldn't I be able to promote my Research Centres, eventually, into Research Megaplexes? Instead I have to knock down the Centres, build Complexes, promote those, then knockthem down to build Megaplexes. It's this kind of thing that feels counter-intuitive, and it's the one big thing in Proportions that I don't like.

Because you are playing with an old Version of Proportions? In 2.5.1, you can do this.

PvK

[oleg]

OK, does anybody check Proportions with the newest SE patch ? I'm still at work and cannot do myself.