AI DEATH MATCH 2

[Master Belisarius]

United Flora vs Tessellate.

Starting in the down side, the Tessellate defeated the UF at the turn 380.
At least the Final will not finish 5-0!

Here the link: UFlora_vs_Tessellate_Final.zip

[cybersol]

Wow, its been a great second death match. I have read every post in both death match threads.

I downloaded both maps and they are great at balancing things for all atmosphere and colony types. I also like the three dualing channels with the asteroid systems seperating the two sides.

But considering the differences we have seen in this death match between starting in the upper or lower side, I thought there might be a way to further balance the two halves. I am currently working to change the map to incorporate two new ideas. The first idea is that the same planet types and number should be the same distance in game hexes (not systems) from the starting planets for both empires. The second idea is symmetry. If you consider the entire galaxy map with all the system maps inside and do a 180 degree rotation, then the map falls back on top of itself. Player two and three swapped sides during the rotation, but the map (even system maps) look exactly the same as before the rotation. Thus the two players start in absolutely identical situtations.

I am about 3/4 of the way through adding these concepts to your map, but I wanted to know your opinion. Also, what other map changes have considered making but not implemented? Thanks.

[Unknown_Enemy]

I am interested by such a map !

[Tymy]

Originally posted by cybersol:
Wow, its been a great second death match. I have read every post in both death match threads.

I downloaded both maps and they are great at balancing things for all atmosphere and colony types. I also like the three dualing channels with the asteroid systems seperating the two sides.

But considering the differences we have seen in this death match between starting in the upper or lower side, I thought there might be a way to further balance the two halves. I am currently working to change the map to incorporate two new ideas. The first idea is that the same planet types and number should be the same distance in game hexes (not systems) from the starting planets for both empires. The second idea is symmetry. If you consider the entire galaxy map with all the system maps inside and do a 180 degree rotation, then the map falls back on top of itself. Player two and three swapped sides during the rotation, but the map (even system maps) look exactly the same as before the rotation. Thus the two players start in absolutely identical situtations.

I am about 3/4 of the way through adding these concepts to your map, but I wanted to know your opinion. Also, what other map changes have considered making but not implemented? Thanks.

Hi SyberSol,

I like your idea. A good balanced map will force the ai to its limits. I´d like to see an area in the middle of the map wich is NOT connected by Warppoints. Let´s say that this area will be about 25% of the total space.

This means that the only way to make first contact is to go around this area. To challenge the ai even further more you can make a corridor to both empires by a couple of systems wich are connected by warppoints with a damage when passing through.

Make the ai to do some work to make first contact and even more work to establih a position ´on the otherside´.

Just my thoughts !

gr. Tymy

[Unknown_Enemy]

Hi SyberSol,

I like your idea. A good balanced map will force the ai to its limits. I´d like to see an area in the middle of the map wich is NOT connected by Warppoints. Let´s say that this area will be about 25% of the total space.

This means that the only way to make first contact is to go around this area. To challenge the ai even further more you can make a corridor to both empires by a couple of systems wich are connected by warppoints with a damage when passing through.

Make the ai to do some work to make first contact and even more work to establih a position ´on the otherside´.

Just my thoughts !

gr. Tymy

I disagree. The goal is to test an AI in its general behavior, here we would test them in a particular case which is rarely relevant to most of our games.

[cybersol]

[quote]Originally posted by Tymy:

Hi CyberSol,
I´d like to see an area in the middle of the map wich is NOT connected by Warppoints. Let´s say that this area will be about 25% of the total space.

I will be making the map with all warp points connected to test the AI's in general expansion and combat. However, once you have the map I'm making (which is derived from MB's), it is very easy to load it in the map maker and delete both sides of the six warp points that connect the 3 middle systems of the dueling channels. The warp points are much easier to delete than add in the included editor.

[Master Belisarius]

Originally posted by cybersol:
Wow, its been a great second death match. I have read every post in both death match threads.

I downloaded both maps and they are great at balancing things for all atmosphere and colony types. I also like the three dualing channels with the asteroid systems seperating the two sides.

But considering the differences we have seen in this death match between starting in the upper or lower side, I thought there might be a way to further balance the two halves. I am currently working to change the map to incorporate two new ideas. The first idea is that the same planet types and number should be the same distance in game hexes (not systems) from the starting planets for both empires. The second idea is symmetry. If you consider the entire galaxy map with all the system maps inside and do a 180 degree rotation, then the map falls back on top of itself. Player two and three swapped sides during the rotation, but the map (even system maps) look exactly the same as before the rotation. Thus the two players start in absolutely identical situtations.

I am about 3/4 of the way through adding these concepts to your map, but I wanted to know your opinion. Also, what other map changes have considered making but not implemented? Thanks.

I really like your idea! Please post the map when you could have it!
About the difference to start in the upper or lower side... I don't know why, but the "Colony Ship Bug" always happen in the upper side.
Don't know why an AI decide to build only "Colony Gas" ships, when have lots of Ice planets available to colonize.