OT: Alien Contact

Ruatha · #1 February 28th, 2003, 09:49 AM

About tunneling.
I haven't had time to read these link yet:
http://www.aei-potsdam.mpg.de/~mpoes...nelingftl.html
http://www.comcity.com/distance-time...tunneling.html
But if anyone has the time please do and sum it up.
If I remember correctly it was somethiung about light passing faster through a grid then through vacuum.

Another experiment: (That I haven't read yet, am (kind of) at work, will read later)
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=0008F9A7-7781-1C76-9B81809EC588E F21&pageNumber=1&catID=9

But wasn't it something about two quarks (I hope that's the english word for "kvarkar") in harmony changes state at the same time disregarding any difference when one of the quarks alter state?

(Sorry about posting links I haven't read yet, but they where on my "read" list and I wanna post before I go and become "un-connected" again for a while.)

[ February 28, 2003, 07:54: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

dogscoff · #2 February 28th, 2003, 12:58 PM

CNC: You're wrong=-)

1. We already produce more food than the population of the Earth can eat. All the famine and starvation in the world comes down to economics and logistics, not underproduction.

2. The Earth is nowhere near full yet. There are massive tracts of land as yet unused for farming and living space. By the time that runs out, we will have the technology to exploit the ocean floors, which will effectively treble the amount of surface available to us.

3. If the Earth does become overcrowded, some kind of catastrophic event (war, environmental disaster) will reduce the human population, but it won't wipe us out. We are too good at adapting ourselves and our environment to our own needs to be extinguished that easily. I think we could even (just about) survive a meteor hit and subsequent nuclear winter. Also, our current society is now a global phenomenon- unless you destroyed every country in the world it would be a shorter climb back up to our current state than it was from the dark ages back up to the level of civilisation that preceded them.

4. We WILL make it up into space. It will probably centuries or even millenia before we leave this solar system, but I firmly believe we will. In the meantime, The moon, Mars, the asteroid belt and some of the Jovian satellites will all be mined and/ or colonised. Once we achieve self-sufficiency away from mother earth, the human race will be truly unstoppable.

Aloofi · #3 February 28th, 2003, 04:33 PM

This thread is awesome!

Graeme Dice · #4 February 28th, 2003, 04:40 PM

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Originally posted by dogscoff:
2. The Earth is nowhere near full yet.

This is a matter of opinion. In mine, we already have more than twice as many people as there should be.

Aloofi · #5 February 28th, 2003, 08:20 PM

I've been thinking about the Alien thing, and I have reached the conclusion that if an Alien civilization have the capability of coming all the way to here, it have to be an agressive civilization, because "thirst for scientific knowledge" is not enough to fund the cost of R&D of space exploration tech. They have to have a major motive pushing them to the stars.

Now, they also need to have a very advance industrial infrastructure, and what's the most advance/powerful/capable economical organization?
Yes, the evil corporations.
This one scenario of first contact:

An scout vessel from Race X comes to our beloved solar system. It chart the system, run their planetary mineral scanners, and deploy a couple guiding beacons.
Back on Planet X, MegaCorporation Z buys the mining rights for our solar system, and ask for a loan from the Galactic Bank to initiate mining operations. Mega Z starts minig first the rich mineral deposits in Mars, but they soon discover that our planet is even richer , and they start to plan a mining colony over here. But, of course, the native population of Earth is going to be problem, so they send a drone to drop us a Virus Bomb V. After that they land a couple of Corporate Marines to claim the planet and make sure that we were wiped out, then they collect all the minerals found in our cities, especially the gold from Fort Knox, and finally they start building a mining complex to mine our planet's core, financed by the Galactic Bank.

Wardad · #6 February 28th, 2003, 08:33 PM

Aloofi,
Why would they go to all that trouble?
They could get us to enslave each other, and then we could mine it for them.
Of couse this approach requires some finesse and control of local resources.

At one time in Europe pepper corns were more precious than gold. You could become very rich and powerfull by trading it.

In modern times, copyrights and patents are the real bonanza. They just have to stay ahead of the curve and slow down the competition.
Take Microsoft for example, PLEASE!!!

Fyron · #7 February 28th, 2003, 10:19 PM

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It is a Scientific book written many many years ago. If it was written today it would resemble the current way we figure out life which is Mathmatics.

No, it is not a scientific book. It is a philosophical book. To be a scientific book, it would have to start out with basic observed facts, and use them to prove something. It does not do that, it just says, "here is the conclusion, and it is true". Actually, it would have to do pretty much the same thing to be a philosophical book, so it is not one of those. It is a religious book, period.