OT of OT: Rating Fyron -- no longer possible

Ruatha · #1 March 8th, 2003, 12:29 AM

Ok, I give up.
You are right about the pop issue I guess

Wardad · #2 March 8th, 2003, 12:32 AM

The Church supressed science for Centuries.
Some may think that is a bad thing.
But... If science gives us the power to kill all life on earth and we do it.
Then the Church simply gave us a few more centuries of life.

Fyron · #3 March 8th, 2003, 01:30 AM

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Originally posted by Chronon:
Fyron, I'm curious about your argument on this point. Aside from Galileo, did you have anyone else in mind? If you go by the meta-narrative presented by most textbooks of "Western Civ," the "Middle Ages" were over by the time of Galileo (1564-1642). The usual periodization has them come to a close with the Italian Renaissance (1350-1550). So, he's not the best example to support your argument.

The "church versus science" theme is still a very strong one in our perceptions of history, so I'm intrigued by your position, and would like to hear more of your argument.

Edit: I can't spell...

There are many examples, I just can't think of most of them at the moment. Copernicus' radical theory that the Sun was the center of the universe instead of the Earth was rejected by proponents of the Catholic Church, amonst other highly religious people of the times. Of course, the Church was not as adamant about burning all who questioned it at the stake as it was centuries prior.

And as the Church was wrong about some of the most basic facts about the universe, people making scientific progress would naturally have to question some of the Church's claims (such as the Earth being the center of the universe).

[ March 07, 2003, 23:32: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

TerranC · #4 March 8th, 2003, 01:37 AM

How did rating fyron turn into a debate about gods, christians, et cetera?

Methinks that Fyron should change the title once more.

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Originally posted by Iggiboo:
God creates man in his image.
-omitted statement-
-omitted statement-
Man is victorious
Man Creates AI in his image.
AI is more powerful than man.
Man grows jealous of AI and attempts to destroy it.
AI is Victorious

And Iggiboo, on the above, how can we be more powerful than god, if a such thing exists? And Why would we choose to kill off gods? Why/How would AIs be more powerful than us if we create them into our image? And Why would we choose to destroy AIs if we created them into our own image? Does a parent shoot it's offspring just because it has become more powerful?

Fyron · #5 March 8th, 2003, 01:40 AM

The rating Fyron came from a thread where that was being discussed, and people were giving me 1s. I only wanted to know who was doing that (as you should never insult someone behind their back; do it to their face; and this is what a rating of 1 is equivalent to), but the people that gave me a 1 did not fess up (well... I think 1 did, but the rest did not).

TerranC · #6 March 8th, 2003, 01:45 AM

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Confucianism in China also apparently stagnated advancements during about the same period as the European Dark Ages.

Confucianism never stagnated advancements in China, or Asia for that matter; You're talking about Legalism; which was used by the first emperor of china *the guy who built the Great wall of china, methinks.*.

[ March 07, 2003, 23:45: Message edited by: TerranC ]

Fyron · #7 March 8th, 2003, 02:03 AM

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Originally posted by TerranC:

quote:
Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Confucianism in China also apparently stagnated advancements during about the same period as the European Dark Ages.

Confucianism never stagnated advancements in China, or Asia for that matter; You're talking about Legalism; which was used by the first emperor of china *the guy who built the Great wall of china, methinks.*.

I was going by what Baron Munchaussen (probably spelled wrong) posted a bit back. Confucianism does preach the subVersion of women, so that never helps advancements.