OT. Where they really on the moon?

Alpha Kodiak · #1 March 5th, 2003, 10:40 PM

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Originally posted by QuarianRex:

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Originally posted by Alpha Kodiak:
I certainly wouldn't put it past our government to try to fool us, but there is no way that they could cover up such a hoax. At the least, there would be Congressmen and Senators that were privy to that information, and that is a guarantee that it would be leaked.

Think of how much harder it would have been to cover up a fake moon landing than to cover up Watergate, and they were unable to do that.

Ahh... but think of the motivation. The Last pledge of a recently assassinated president was that americans would reach the moon before the end of the decade (and before those commie bastards too). The end of the decade draws nigh and there is no way you can do it. Failure would betray the memory of a dead president who had virtually been canonized by the american people and be an unbearable embarassment and show of weakness during the cold war (something that could NOT be allowed).

Taking all this into consideration perhaps it would be wise to, shall we say, bluff. And besides, its just so we can meet a deadline... yeah, thats the ticket. We would have gotten it eventually...

Let a generation or so pass and look how that one little event has so impacted the national psyche. Most of the people who were there are dead now so who is to say ant different? Besides, people want to believe it. How long can you lie to yourself before it becomes truth?

Saying that such a hoax could never have been perpetrated shows a gross lack of understanding of the human psyche, both of the perpetrators and of those who would be duped. Comparing it to watergate is pointless. People want to see powerful individuals fall. People are more than willing to believe in corruption. Now, you show people that they can do the impossible (giving them credit for it, however small) and you'll have to use the jaws of life and a cattle-prod to pry that belief from them.

I would say, rather that it is currently in vogue (perhaps it always has been) to try to rewrite history more than it is that people of an era are so easily duped. It is not popular for Americans to have actually accomplished something significant, so therefore it must not have happened.

I do believe that the space program took the wrong turn at the point when President Kennedy made the pledge to put a man on the moon. We lost the development of reusable spacecraft in favor of the quicker-to-produce, one-time mortar shots that we got. Nonetheless, they did work, and I will need to see and hear far better evidence than I have seen to believe that the moon landings were fake.

Incidently, if the moon landings were fake, the Russians would have known about it, as they must have been tracking the spacecraft by radar. I doubt if they were in on the conspiracy.

And one final thought: if the program were a fake, Apollo 13 was sure an odd exercise to go through.

Alpha Kodiak · #2 March 5th, 2003, 10:41 PM

Beat me to it, Geo!

minipol · #3 March 6th, 2003, 12:40 AM

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Originally posted by growltigger:
Hey, let's all be thankful that it wasnt the "Van Halen" belt those poor astronauts had to go through, otherwise, having shaggy perms, playing loud guitar and wearing spandex troUsers may have seriously cramped NASA's style

Hehehehehe, now this is a good one. The "Van Halen" belt:

"Houston, we have a problem. An undertermined abstract whining noise is pounding our eardrums. NOOOO, the pain.. NOOOOO....." ... and then silence...
Van Halen did it again . Hehe. Nice one Tiger!

Edit: hhmmm one should read the whole thread before responding. there are already a zillion jokes in here going "Houston we have a problem". If i weren't so darn lazy i would delete mine. If you read this far: sorry for waisting your time

But why are you still reading this?

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minipol · #4 March 6th, 2003, 12:48 AM

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Too bad that such a hoax was never perpertrated, and we did indeed send people to the moon.

Where's the proof? In one of your books?

* minipol just couldn't resist and now hides in the closet with one of Fyron's physics books as his only weapon *

Oh by the way, as i said before i think they did go to the moon but that the movie was fake. Big difference off course. The camera they had with them, seen in a few of those shots in the movie was incapable of making the shots at that kind of temperature or better differences in temperature.

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Alpha Kodiak · #5 March 6th, 2003, 01:05 AM

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Originally posted by minipol:

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Too bad that such a hoax was never perpertrated, and we did indeed send people to the moon.

Where's the proof? In one of your books?

* minipol just couldn't resist and now hides in the closet with one of Fyron's physics books as his only weapon *

Oh by the way, as i said before i think they did go to the moon but that the movie was fake. Big difference off course. The camera they had with them, seen in a few of those shots in the movie was incapable of making the shots at that kind of temperature or better differences in temperature.

At the time, much of the news coverage was specifically labelled as "Simulation". The actual live pictures I remember were of rather poor quality, to say the least.

Wanderer · #6 March 6th, 2003, 02:26 AM

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Originally posted by gregebowman:
I wonder. Did the makers of Capricorn One know something, or is this an example of art imitating life?

I thought the guy (not that I know who that was, I'm just stabbing in the dark) who was behind Capricorn One was someone who believed the moon landings were a hoax and wanted to make a film on a similar issue to 'show how it could be done'.

Not that I've heard any convincing arguments that the landings were actually faked - on Amazon.co.uk (not .com) try searching for the book Dark Moon and its reviews for a good example of pseudo-science being used to sell books (and being viciously debunked by those who know better).

Try here
(second review on this page really has a go at the book)

QuarianRex · #7 March 6th, 2003, 04:41 AM

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Too bad that such a hoax was never perpertrated, and we did indeed send people to the moon.

I personally think that we did get to the moon. I was just responding to the notion that the perpetration of such a hoax would be impossible.

Nothing is really impossible. Probable? Well now, there's the kicker.