PBW - Newbie Galactic Combat II Crisis Forum.

[Ruatha]

Hi all.
If I don't get any information or ideas to change my mind before tomorrow sunday I will delete the game.

This discussion hasn't come up with any viable alternatives.

I'm sorry about all this and I can understand if you feel a bit upset that a game that you have played for months is cancelled, still, I see no alternatives.

I hope to see some of you in other PBW games in the future.
I'm not sure I'll start another Galactic Combat game, but as I like big maps and many players I just might.

James (Ruatha)

[Ragnarok]

It's sad to see this game go down the drain, so to speak. As a replacment I had a fun time trying to figure out the empire I was running and basically start from scratch.

It's really a shame that a couple people who can't stand losing, or love cheating, can bring the game to its end with hardly any effort.

[Ruatha]

I'm not totally convinced all of them where aware of what they where doing.
Take Stalin who runs the CCCP for example. I don't see anything pointing to him playing more than one empire.
To build an alliance based upon out of game considerations might be considered bad style but that's not cheating. Still the end of this game will be the same, together they are unstoppable and it's just a matter of time.
In any other game I host I'll be more clear in stating what is allowed and what is not before the game starts.
And I'll be checking up on all replacements after this.

Still, it was good having the chance to host a game. And it was fun interactioning with you all, you too Rags, you fitted in well in your role as the Earth Alliance.

[tbontob]

Hmmmm.

I am not usually suspicious of things, but the fact that 7 players come from a small local in Russian is exceedingly suspicious.

Complicating matters is the fact that the 7 players took so long to reply to Ruatha's e-mail. Most of the other players answered within a day or two.

Worse, all 7 players seem to share the same local IP provider.

Worse still, all 7 players are in either Novosibirsk or Tomsk. Even more damaging is that they are sister cities.

And from what I can see, none of the seven players have stepped up to explain what has happened.

It can be argued that some of the evidence is circumstantial. But circumstantial or not, it is damaging.

Ruatha, up till now, this game was fun. A lot of fun.

And I loved being a participant in the in-game story. That was new, unique and challenging.

But now it isn't. Even if Ruatha should decide to continue as the host, I am not sure I would want to continue playing.

IMO, Ruatha has done an excellant job as the host of this game.

And yes, I am disappointed the game likely to be over. But much better to abort the game than to encourage this type of behaviour.

Even a face off between the East and the West would be a partial encouragement.

Similarly, IMO separate games would also be a partial encouragement.

[CaptRR]

Ok, now I understand what is happening, I must have missed the original explanation.

It sounds like the same guy, then again, it could be 7 friends. To be honest though, I think we could take them. Rutha, you and I have been in an alliance, and we always knew that a conflict with the CCCP was coming, some day, thats one of the reasons we were trying to court Greaybeard into the alliance, and also why we have been trying to take on the Terrens, while the CCCP is powerful, I think the Central Powers is just as good, even if we don't quite have the membership they do, however now that many people know whats going on, I'm sure that the Central Powers will be getting many more Allies . At least tempararally.

I say continue the game as it stands, and together with other players we can drive though the CCCP like a hot knife through butter. Imagine possibilities of a war that big.

Besides I need story material!!!

[Alex Reaper]

How I think game must be save. Hwo want to play -must play hwo not - must withdraw from game.
In this situation Game must be in fully avtomation turns.
If this game will delete that means your alliance to lose.
If not play and win to stronge.

[Ruatha]

CaptRR.
I've thought about that.
For me, I could continue just to get story material.
But for the Geckos and the Zax it would be hard. They are pinned down surroudned by the enemy alliance.
The Argons are constantly being hit by 10+ intel attacks per turn, some ships lost every turn to crew conVersion. I calculated some turns ago that his enemies had approximately 1 million intel points per turn, most of which goes into intel attacks against him.

I do belive that we might have a very small chance of winning against them, but as Tbontob says, that would be condoning this kind of behaviour.
And I don't think we can get the kind of cooperation that they have developed.

As to them being friends? I've asked them and they deny knowledge of eachothers.
One option is to continue the game as small multiplayer (1-3 players) for the stories.

I'm sorry. But I just don't see the game surviving.
If you wish you can take over as host and then I'll continue as long as you do. But I can't accept the responsibility of allowing this situation to continue as present. I can as I said continue so that all effort you have put into the stories wont be lost.

Another option is to continue writing the stories freely from the game, spinning from the interaction between our stories.
If for example one of us writes of deafeat the other must follow that.
The CP might even go to war against the Zax in the future if the Zax wins against the FMA. Then we will have two sides of a war.
Or the CP might split up!

From what we've written I think that this would be a viable option.
I found it hard initially to cancel the game but then I've had a week to ponder the issue.

Now in retroperspective I see alot of settings that should have been different in this game and that will be changed in a next Galactic combat.
(No gifts or tech trade, no surrendering, show only own points, max alliance 2 players, 0 starting race points, win condition, player 1 300% more than player 2, huge universe, high tech cost)

[ March 16, 2003, 05:51: Message edited by: Ruatha ]