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[Fyron]

Raynor:

This is an opinion. The term 'quite feasable' is arbitrary and subject to opinion. Someone else might say that the multiplayer was not quite feasable.

Someone might say that the earth is not round. Does that make saying the earth is round an opinion? No, it does not. While this particular case could be considered a matter of opinion, my point here will apply to pretty much everything else you said.

This also is an opinion. A fact would be something on the order of: If you click button 'X', then window 'Y' shows up. But just because you don't "like" something doesn't make it a fact. It makes it an opinion. A fact is something that is incontrovertible. If the word "like" or "dislike" enters in, then it is an opinion and not a fact.

No, it is a fact because there are a huge number of unnecessary clicks that you have to make to get anything done, but those things most often get overridden by the AI anyways. A non-clumsy interface would not have so many windows to go through to make minor changes. The degree of clumsiness and whether or not it is a game-breaking issue is a matter of opinion, but the fat that it is clumsy is not.

MOO3 does not in any way accurately simulate a space empire. It is not meant as a simulator, but as a game. So saying it is a good simulator IS NOT saying that it is a good game; it is saying the contrary.

This also is an opinion.

Actually, it isn't an opinion. It is a fact about computing. It is impossible for a computer program designed to run on PCs to accurately simulate something as complex as an entire empire of people, or even one city. Even a super-computer would not be able to accurately simulate billions and billions of people over a few centuries of time (or however long MOO3 Lasts).

This also is an opinion. What are you going to use to determine what is a valid source? Without hard proof regarding the validity of a number of sources, it is clearly your opinion regarding what is or is not a valid source.

The general consensus from the gaming community and also my own observations constitute valid sources. I have seen the AIs override my orders in MOO3, so that is a fact, and is supported by nearly every gamer that comments on a game. What a game company says about their game is almost never a valid source because they want to sell you their game, so they are not about to point out its downfalls. They will only portray the things it does well, and often embellish the truth so that you get a flawed picture of the game.

Oleg:
I am quite sane, and so I take offense at your comments. Of course, I assume it is a joke, so I will let it slide.

Chronon:

My question about GalCiv - Is the AI as good as the reviews say? I've been looking for a truly challenging single player game, without much luck (I know it's hard to write a decent AI for very complex games of strategy, but I keep hoping).

GalCiv is not as complex as other 4X games (in part due to the simplified combat model and also the lack of moddability), and so has better AIs for it. They do not have to be as adaptive, and so can be written into rigid patterns more easily. This is what allows good AI, after all.

[eddieballgame]

[quote]No, it is a fact because there are a huge number of unnecessary clicks that you have to make to get anything done, but those things most often get overridden by the AI anyways. A non-clumsy interface would not have so many windows to go through to make minor changes. The degree of clumsiness and whether or not it is a game-breaking issue is a matter of opinion, but the fat that it is clumsy is not.[quote]

It is a fact that this is my opinion; the "unecessary clicks" you "have" to make to micromanage are not clumsy to me AND not to all.
Could everything be put on 1 or 2 screens, maybe. From what I have read, the "Patch" is addressing this. It does "sound" like you were trying to micromanage with the AI on. Having played MOO3 alot, I find "ROY" will disagree in time on some of my choices. I can even "contol"
those things, shipbuilding, troop building, etc.
as long as I keep an eye on "him". For planet control with no AI override, I turn off the AI.
It does work, that is not an opinion. There is alot to do, Maintaining a healthy planet environment, keeping the pop happy, fed & protected, fleet maintenance, & on & on. This is very close to "simulating" the non real space empire environment. As a game I find this fun to deal with. Oh, that I find this fun is also a fact.

MOO3 is also very moddable, a fact. Meaning
you could "improve" on its many features, an opinion.

[SlapBone]

Originally posted by eddieballgame:
I find MOO3 very easy to use, & considering the depth of MICROmanaging available, easy to "navigate".

And every morning I have Claudia Schiffer and Cameron Diaz fight to see who will take a shower with me.

[Roanon]

Lol Slapbone. The one and only fitting answer

For more opionons, just check out ebay. Lots of Moo3 for less than 10$. Never seen so many people willing to sell a game for less than a fifth of the original price so soon after the release.

[Wardad]

Galciv,

I have been approaching a cultural victory for some time now. The game (ver1.02) says 12 months to go. But everytime I load the saved game the cultural victory calculations are screwed up and it takes many turns for it to be corrected andreach the 12 months to go point again. ARRGGGHHH!!!

Maybe I should make everything as automatic as possible and just keep hiting that turn button.

[oleg]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Oleg:
I am quite sane, and so I take offense at your comments. Of course, I assume it is a joke, so I will let it slide.

[/QB]

Aaah... Eeeehh...

My post was exactly to support (hmmm.. how can you ) you as a perfectly sane person here. In fact, I reitterated your points almost up to the line Either you missunderstood me or I typed something quite opposite I wanted...

Ooh, dear. How easy it would be if russian was the default language here.

[Fyron]

Oleg:
Your post was actually directly opposing my point.

No sane person would argue that games like Moo2 and SEIII/IV had good multiplayer long before Moo3 was conceived.

You said that a sane person would not argue that games prior to MOO3 had good multiplayer capabilities. You may have meant the other way, but that is what you said.

Eddie:

MOO3 is also very moddable, a fact. Meaning
you could "improve" on its many features, an opinion.

It is not more moddable than SE4 though, and you can not eliminate its major flaws through modding.

Turning the viceroys off DOES NOT disable them entirely. They still make changes. How many times do I and others have to repeat this? It is getting tiring saying it over and over and over again.

There are significantly more people that find MOO3's interface to be horrible and clumsy than that find it to be a good interface. And what a patch will or will not do HAS NO BEARING on how the game is RIGHT NOW. What the game might be like in the future IS NOT a valid basis for argument of whta the game is like NOW.

[ May 12, 2003, 02:15: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]