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May 1st, 2003, 09:05 PM
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Re: Do Weapons Platform Need Help?
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Wait... If I correctly understand how SE IV treats units, you only need one of those Combat Sensor I's. Is that correct?
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I think that is correct, although I also think that if you lose the particular WP that has it then you lose the ability it gives, so I usually put them on each anyway. Although there may be some way to make sure the one with the SC is the Last one killed, but I have never bothered to try figuring that out.
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Would whole Armor WPs be hit before all other WPs?
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Don't know about that.
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Would one Religious WP make all WPs on that world Religious?
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Yes, I believe that is the same as sensors.
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Would Troops with Shields protect WPs?
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Used to, but not anymore. That was changed in a patch recently. Now WP's get hit first.
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Would Fighters or Satellites with Shields, in planetary cargo, protect other units in cargo?
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Hmmm, I don't know about that. Fighters get launched. Sats I think soak up some damage for whatever their structure is, but WP's get hit first. Then whatever caro is left gets hit in random order.
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May 1st, 2003, 09:36 PM
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Re: Do Weapons Platform Need Help?
Also i've noticed that when you have two platforms one with armor and one without for instance the one with weapons gets hit first regardless of order (at least from my tests) that definitly should be changed or at least randomized.
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May 1st, 2003, 09:47 PM
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Re: Do Weapons Platform Need Help?
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Also i've noticed that when you have two platforms one with armor and one without for instance the one with weapons gets hit first regardless of order (at least from my tests) that definitly should be changed or at least randomized.
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Yes, unfortunately weakest WP get killed first. Unless... they have different size ! Or so I think - AFAIK, smaller get hits first. What if you build small WP with armor/shields and medium/large WP with weapons ? 
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May 1st, 2003, 09:52 PM
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Re: Do Weapons Platform Need Help?
I thought armor units got hit first...at least that's what the write-up says. If that isn't the case, then it should be clarified. (assuming one isn't being hit with armor-skipping weapons).
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May 1st, 2003, 10:19 PM
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Re: Do Weapons Platform Need Help?
The item in planetary cargo with the fewest hit point total is destroyed first, regardless of what type or size of unit it is.
But, IIRC, the Last patch made it so that weapon platforms are always destroyed first so that troops can survive bombardment and be useable for invasion defense. They are still destroyed in the same order, and other cargo is then destroyed in the same order when all WPs are gone if the attacker keeps bombarding the planet.
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May 1st, 2003, 10:50 PM
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Re: Do Weapons Platform Need Help?
Fryon is correct. What I have done is to use Large WP's with weapons, combined with Small WP's with armor/shields and maybe a weapon or something, calculated so that my "soak platforms" have less structure than my weapon-bristling WP's.
I agree with Rex that the WP hit should be randomized. This has been a request into MM for a long long time, but apparently it hasn't bubbled high enough to get done - making WP's hit first is as close as we've got, and it just occurred in the Last patch.
As for the numbers below, it didn't include training for +40 or more.
The real problem is the fundamental one with the whole to-hit mechanic in SE4. FACTORS should MULTIPLY and NOT ADD! I wrote several mathematical emails to MM about that and finally gave up. It would massively help out the balance of play, but it would also stand everything on its head. Maybe for SE5...
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May 2nd, 2003, 02:34 AM
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Re: Do Weapons Platform Need Help?
"As for the numbers below, it didn't include training for +40 or more."
Yes I did. It ends up being canceled out by the modifers given to mounts on WPs.
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