How best to use Null Space weapons?

Cyrien · #1 May 3rd, 2003, 06:02 AM

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Originally posted by Dingocat85:

1) The Allegiance Subverter:
...timed correctly (fire rate 25), you can capture...
...the AI will never use Master Computers, so you should be safe using the Allegiance Subverter all game long.

2) Organic Armor:
So long you keep the boarding parties away, the Organic-Armored Rammer is tough to beat.

1> Fire rate 30 not 25. The most you can capture is 1 per combat per ship unless you are using a mod. Also the AI will use master computers. Was just playing a psychic game and half way through my allegiance subverter fleet got wiped out by AI with Master Computer ships.

2> Organic armor raming ships are easy to defeat. After they ram once they lose all their shields if they had any. Then just fire away with engine destroyers. A ramming ship that can't move isn't a threat.

None of the destroys specific component X weapons skip shields anymore.

Gwaihir · #2 May 3rd, 2003, 06:46 AM

Re: shield skipping/not - thanks Cyrien

Re: TDBs
I used to always play temporal, because the TDB really is very effective - but it actually takes more research to get TDBs maxed than it does to get APBs and SD maxed, which makes a slightly better ship. True, shield accelerators instead of depleters would be a great addition, but not essential. The modular type is more flexible, too - i can alter the ratios based on how much my enemies use shields. (plus, i get 1500 more RPs . . .)

I agree tho that there is no one killer strategy, unlike in SE3, there are so many variables that any design has a counter-design.

oleg · #3 May 3rd, 2003, 02:16 PM

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Originally posted by Cyrien:
None of the destroys specific component X weapons skip shields anymore.

WHAT ? Shield generator killers do not skip shields anymore !? Or Computer virus ? Please tell me you are kidding !

geoschmo · #4 May 3rd, 2003, 03:13 PM

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Originally posted by oleg:

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Originally posted by Cyrien:
None of the destroys specific component X weapons skip shields anymore.

WHAT ? Shield generator killers do not skip shields anymore !? Or Computer virus ? Please tell me you are kidding !

No, Cyrien is incorrect. The only specific damage weapon that doesn't skip shields is the engine only weapon.

Engine only = Does NOT skip shields, but DOES skip armor

Virus (MC only) = DOES skip shields and armor
Weapon only = DOES skip shields and armor
Shield Generator only = DOES skip shields and armor

Geoschmo

JLS · #5 May 3rd, 2003, 04:22 PM

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Originally posted by Gwaihir:
I was a big fan of racial weapons for a while, but now I tend to use the standard. I haven't really found a racial weapon that tops the standard set if well planned - - - does anyone have a different opinion on this?

I agree, the standard ones have more options and have a quicker to research curb.

The Null-Space weapon in conjunction with good combat sensors and any good Primary weapons makes for a great silver bullet .

[ May 03, 2003, 15:24: Message edited by: JLS ]

Cyrien · #6 May 3rd, 2003, 04:41 PM

Yes. I spoke too hastily. Engine killers don't skip shields. Sorry bout that.

Suicide Junkie · #7 May 3rd, 2003, 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by geoschmo:

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Originally posted by oleg:

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Originally posted by Cyrien:
None of the destroys specific component X weapons skip shields anymore.

WHAT ? Shield generator killers do not skip shields anymore !? Or Computer virus ? Please tell me you are kidding !
No, Cyrien is incorrect. The only specific damage weapon that doesn't skip shields is the engine only weapon.

Engine only = Does NOT skip shields, but DOES skip armor

Virus (MC only) = DOES skip shields and armor
Weapon only = DOES skip shields and armor
Shield Generator only = DOES skip shields and armor

Geoschmo

In addition:
Only Boarding Parties and Only Security Stations have never skipped shields for as far back as I can remember.
These aren't used in the unmodded game, but they still work.