"Real" ringworlds

[narf poit chez BOOM]

my point was, that although the brain is a complex computer and could come up with ideas, that doesn't explain why i exist. chemicals and energy can't come up with me, they just are acted upon, there is nothing there to act.

[Primogenitor]

Im slightly worried now. This is getting terrible close to "what is consiousness" and "souls" and therefore "God".
"You are not a beutiful and unique Snowflake."-Tylor Durgen

What is different between human intelligence and others is unclear. Many animals have a complex social structure (e.g monkeys,lions), many animals comunicate (e.g dolphins, whales), quite a few use tools (e.g. otters, thrush) and can teach others (e.g. chimpanzees, New Calidonian Crows)

[Phoenix-D]

Pet peeve: most animals communiate, not just a few. Or do you think those bird calls are for their health?

"my point was, that although the brain is a complex computer and could come up with ideas, that doesn't explain why i exist. chemicals and energy can't come up with me, they just are acted upon, there is nothing there to act."

Which is waaay the heck outside evolutionary theory, which is what you brought up. You want the "What the hell am I doing here?" aisle.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

no, i'm saying evelutionary theory can't explain and rules it out. if we are unintelligent chemicals and electricity, there's no way we could be intelligent. i, by my very existence, rule out evelutionary theory.

nobodies yelled yet.

[Fyron]

Ummm... narf, chemicals do not have to be intelligent for the sum total of what is composed of those chemicals to be intelligent.

The theory of evolution DOES NOT make any claims as to how life began, only as to how it changes.

You do not rule out the theory of evolution; you in fact are good evidence of it's validity.

I think you should go do some research on evolution (on university web sites and such, not random .coms, or better, in books and such ) and stop posting about it until you learn what evolution actually is.

[ May 15, 2003, 08:51: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[Ruatha]

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
from an evelotionary point of view, where chemicals and electromagnatism and electricity. none of these explains intelligence, becuase none of these has been shown to have intelligence.

All brain functions are the result of chemical and electrical signal and morphlogy.
It's easy to map brain functions to different areas using functional MR scans and PET scans during brain activities.
Brain damage affects the brain functions (Cognitive, emotional, functional) in a predictive way.

True we have barely touched the surface of the knowledge required to fully understand the way we think, but we are moving along and learning more for each day.
It seems very propably that we one day will understand it completely.
It is after all based on the natural laws, it's all chemistry and electricity.

That doesn't imply that that's all we are, we are more than the sum, but that is also true of most complex things.
Take a pen for example, it's clearly more than the sum of it's parts.
(And no, I do not say that we are the same as a pen )

All this doesn't rule out the possibility of a deity if you are inclined to belive in such.

[ May 15, 2003, 09:05: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

[narf poit chez BOOM]

ok. something quick. i am trying to change my sleeping hours. therefore, i am tired and sound less comprehensible than i am. but, i have made a point.
you cannot make something more complex and expect it to get intelligent. you can only say that in theory, while in fact there is no link.
now, i must sleep.

[ May 15, 2003, 09:18: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]