"Real" ringworlds

[Fyron]

You responded before I finished fixing my post...

[narf poit chez BOOM]

ok, now that i have that down:
he was saying that there are thing's that perhaps cannot be perceived, i missed the perhaps, and i was saying that everything can be percieved, although not with our physical senses. they require faith. like i said, faith is a working bootstrap, which also is why scientists have problems with it.

it looks like a counter-argument to me. at the very least it's an argument and a statement of opinion.

[ May 22, 2003, 08:05: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

[Fyron]

No, it is not a counter-argument. It is a repetition of your misuse of "faith" to try to prove a point.

[Fyron]

If you are going to try and argue against "my definition" of faith (which isn't mine, it is a reflection of what faith really means), you have to argue against it directly, not continue using the term in improper manners. And saying "nah uh, you're wrong!" is in no way shape or form a counter-argument.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

i pointed out a diferent usage of commen terms. i also acknowlegde that it was cheezy and i wasn't trying to be insulting, just make a point. and the ancient isrealite's defined faith as a verb. what faith really means is one objective meaning and a number of subjective meanings. my definition difers from yours, that i know of, in that i beleive faith can be confirmed. since you seem to understand that, i only have left to say that disscusions of subjective definitions, which yours, unless you are omniscient, is, tend to annoy me, and i don't think we're going to get anywhere here, since i don't see any reason why i can't use my definition.
signing off.
if this message is in any way impolite, i'll fix it tommorow. i apologize if it is.

[Fyron]

Narf, "faith" in english means a lot more than what the ancient Israelis used it for. You can have faith in something without any religious connotations at all. And, you can have deeply religious faith in something as well. You seem to be ignoring the former and only accepting the latter, which is not good.

My "definition" includes all common usages of the term faith. You are just brushing off all but the one that fits your agenda.

[ May 22, 2003, 08:38: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[dogscoff]

*dogscoff puts on a fake John Cleese moustache.

And saying "nah uh, you're wrong!" is in no way shape or form a counter-argument.

Yes it is.