Best unmodded non-TDM AI's

[cybersol]

Originally posted by trooper:
Cybersol, I've worked a lot on pirates and pexlerr AIs, but they haven't been tested against other AIs to see their real efficiency.
Spacesharks'AI is a unmodded Version of the TDM orks.

I'm interested in the result of your investigations, to add info about the quality of the AIs in the racedir.

I'm also interested by the working Version of emp files for Chaos race.

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Sorry for the long reply time, but it is mostly your fault. I found the race directory and could not stop downloading for a little while. Guess that means I like it, a lot.

After that I was thinking about your insightful questions. I think some sort of AI indication in the race directory is a wonderful idea. The first (and easiest) thing I would implement is to use the results of MB's AI Death Match Two. 32 races competed, so I think the Top 18 (third round), Top 12 (fourth), and Top 6 (sixth) would be the designations to use. Here is the break down, ignore parenthesis for now:

AI-DM2-Top6: Tessellate (MB), CueCappa (Ro), Aquilaeian (MB), United Flora (Ro), Space Vikings (Ro), Narn Regime (Me)

AI-DM2-Top12: Orks (At), Toron (Me), EEE (Re), Khrel (Re), Fazrah (Bl), Pyrochette (MB)

AI-DM2-Top18: Namovans (AK), Sallega (GE), Rage (AK), Earth Alliance (Me), Gron (Re), Puindon (TG)

This lets people know how the AI's performed when head to head. And as a side benefit maybe more people would want to have their AI involved in a future death match if it ever takes place.

The second thing I might do is note the AI author. This gives the AI designer recognition, while allowing people to make a connection with the Category systems, such as the AI DM2 rating above. I noted the AI authors in parenthesis above. AIs written by these DM winner authors and also the rest of the TDM authors that have been updated in the Last year are probably pretty decent in my experience.

Thus logically, the third thing I would note is whether the AI was recently redesigned for improved competitiveness. Reasonable breakpoints for categories might be before gold or after gold. If you wanted more categories 6 months after gold, 12 months after gold, etc. Updating the AI just to work with gold would not count, but updating it to use drones or other enhancements would.

If these AI ideas would actually make it onto your site, I should be able to help with the dirty work of tracking some of this down. I now have most of the shipsets in the race directory. BTW, I have your races and they look great, still have not had a chance to play against them though. I will let you know.

As for the Chaos empire files, would you like them via email or uploaded to the forum?

[trooper]

Thanks for all these infos. I'll try to add them and any future infos about the races asap.

I've got few infos from authors about their shipsets, so I generaly have to keep the list up to date by myself, and it's far too much work for one guy...

You can send this files by email at ebergbauer AT free.fr, it's useless to upload them on the forum.

[trooper]

BTW, who are GE, RE, TG, GI ?

[Master Belisarius]

Originally posted by trooper:
BTW, who are GE, RE, TG, GI ?

GE = God Emperor
RE = Rexxx
TG = TAmpa Gamer

GI? A typo?

[cybersol]

Thanks, MB! You're right as usual.

Just in case anyone else was wondering.
Here is the full list of abbreviations:

MB = Master Belisarius
Ro = Rollo
Me = Mephisto
At = Atraikius
Re = Rexxx
Bl = Blade
AK = Alpha Kodiak
GE = God Emperor
TG = Tampa Gamer

Above were discussed in previous Posts
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Ol = Oleg
TC = TerranC
DS = Deathstalker
AL = Andres Lescano
EC = Emperor's Child

Here is a list of Non-TDM AI's that I have been collecting. These are races where I'm under the impression that the author at least tried to create a unique and challenging (or a least interesting) AI. I have yet see how good they all are though.

(Name) (Last AI Update) (Author)

Dominion Imperium 01/03 AJC

Azorani 05/02 AK
Hevordah 12/01 AK
Namovan 07/02 AK
Regency Pre-Gold AK
SEOR Pre-Gold AK
Tylmai 12/01 AK
Vandron 12/01 AK
UCE Pre-Gold AK

Star Wars Yuuzhan Vong 04/02 AL

Chaos 12/02 At
Mirak 06/02 At
UCE(AI Only) 12/02 At
UCE2(AI Only) 12/02 At
Zorian 12/02 At

Cephalopeia 12/01 DS
Dragon Pre-Gold DS
EEEvil 04/02 DS
Nostropholo 04/02 DS
Red Gauntlet 04/02 DS
Star Wars Empire 03/02 DS
Star Wars Rebel 04/02 DS
Starwolf Pre-Gold DS
Y'Gathian 04/02 DS
Zeta Reticuli Pre-Gold DS

Slaanesh 03/02 EC

Borg(Some Mods) 02/03 GE

Tessellate 02/03 MB

Tholians 06/02 Ol based on AK

Sol Coalition 05/02 TC based on Ro

Notably missing is Atrocities, because I know his AI's are derived from stock AI's, but I do not know how extensive the modifications are. I figure if much work went into the AI it would be for the AST Mod. Please tell me if I am wrong.

The reason I made this list is so you guys can tell me what I missed. Be it an AI you wrote to be competitive or an AI you play against that seems as good as some of the TDM AI's.