Question about general strategy: missles vs. fighters vs. drones vs. direct fire, etc

DavidG · #1 July 22nd, 2003, 04:33 AM

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Originally posted by teal:
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This is all a large preamble to asking the big question. Is their *anything* which can effectively counter Bezerkers with high (or maxed) aggressiveness or defensiveness? Put another way, if your opponent has high defensiveness/agressiveness and you do not, what strategy can you adopt that is a good long term strategy and not doomed to failure once he retrofits a couple of PD cannons onto his ships? So far I can't think of anything[QB]

As you have no doubt figured out now it is actually quite easy to do this. Simply get 4 of the 5 highest ranked players in a 6 player game to gang up on the #2 ranked berzerker.

Taera · #2 July 22nd, 2003, 04:48 AM

lemme explain the gamey part because i am one of those who dont like it

that means that you discover the best combo and everyone plays it. that includes min/maxing. while it makes a good thing for short games, for large games, when you have 8 players with all races the same (none, rock; optimally min/maxed; all going for PPB/NSP ASAP etc) the game simply becomes... not as fun, i think.

DavidG · #3 July 22nd, 2003, 12:34 PM

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Originally posted by Taera:
lemme explain the gamey part because i am one of those who dont like it
that means that you discover the best combo and everyone plays it. that includes min/maxing. while it makes a good thing for short games, for large games, when you have 8 players with all races the same (none, rock; optimally min/maxed; all going for PPB/NSP ASAP etc) the game simply becomes... not as fun, i think.

There is nothing 'gamey' at all about choosing the best possible race style IMO. I suspect you'll get a lot of people who disagree with what you consider the best race anyway. I for example have never picked "none,rock" and actually have not seen a lot of players pick this.

atari_eric · #4 July 22nd, 2003, 05:17 PM

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Originally posted by DavidG:

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Originally posted by Taera:
lemme explain the gamey part because i am one of those who dont like it
that means that you discover the best combo and everyone plays it. that includes min/maxing. while it makes a good thing for short games, for large games, when you have 8 players with all races the same (none, rock; optimally min/maxed; all going for PPB/NSP ASAP etc) the game simply becomes... not as fun, i think.

There is nothing 'gamey' at all about choosing the best possible race style IMO. I suspect you'll get a lot of people who disagree with what you consider the best race anyway. I for example have never picked "none,rock" and actually have not seen a lot of players pick this.

Another shining example of SEIV's variable gameplay. I tend to go Gas/(Oxy or H2) because I like to go the informational route (lots of Research/Intel); nothing like AST/Gas Giant - Huge/Planetary Info Facility to get the job done. I can see the reason for rock/none in the unmodded game (plenty of places to put Spaceyards) but in a pinch you could always build SY Bases; you can't build Reserach/Intel Bases though (to SJ's lament).

spoon · #5 July 22nd, 2003, 06:46 PM

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Ganging up on someone because of a cultural choice is approaching gameyness... not to mention starting to get into fuzzy ethical areas.

Spoken like someone who always chooses Bezerker... heh

Really, though, the problem with ganging up on everyone who chose Bezerker is that, in a competitive game, that generally means two-thirds of the other players...

teal · #6 July 23rd, 2003, 12:56 AM

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Originally posted by DavidG:

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Originally posted by teal:
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This is all a large preamble to asking the big question. Is their *anything* which can effectively counter Bezerkers with high (or maxed) aggressiveness or defensiveness? Put another way, if your opponent has high defensiveness/agressiveness and you do not, what strategy can you adopt that is a good long term strategy and not doomed to failure once he retrofits a couple of PD cannons onto his ships? So far I can't think of anything[QB]

As you have no doubt figured out now it is actually quite easy to do this. Simply get 4 of the 5 highest ranked players in a 6 player game to gang up on the #2 ranked berzerker.

Hey you were #1 when we started! That was 50 turns ago to and you're only down to #2. More evidence to support my point...

DavidG · #7 July 23rd, 2003, 01:31 AM

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Originally posted by teal:

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Originally posted by DavidG:

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Originally posted by teal:
[QB]
This is all a large preamble to asking the big question. Is their *anything* which can effectively counter Bezerkers with high (or maxed) aggressiveness or defensiveness? Put another way, if your opponent has high defensiveness/agressiveness and you do not, what strategy can you adopt that is a good long term strategy and not doomed to failure once he retrofits a couple of PD cannons onto his ships? So far I can't think of anything[QB]

As you have no doubt figured out now it is actually quite easy to do this. Simply get 4 of the 5 highest ranked players in a 6 player game to gang up on the #2 ranked berzerker.
Hey you were #1 when we started! That was 50 turns ago to and you're only down to #2. More evidence to support my point...

Well I think I was #2. And I'm #3 now and losing every big battle with minimal losses to the enemy. I think your point was that berzerker combo was virually unstoppable when combined with maxed aggerssive and defensive (which BTW I do not have) When 4 of the 5 top players in the game (the six being way way way Last) gang up on the berzerker the outcome is pretty much a forgone conclusion. (especially when they are in the corner and the berzerker in the middle) Berzerker is not the all powerfull attribute you make it out to be. Cetainly not in a multiplayer game.