OT - No-Call list

[General Woundwort]

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
like i said, just hang up. if they send email, don't respond. we rarely get spam of any kind.

I don't respond to spam either. Never have, never will. Not that that's prevented me from getting deluged with the stuff. I never knew that I knew so many African finance ministers - no less than three have attempted to contact me this week.

[ July 11, 2003, 13:00: Message edited by: General Woundwort ]

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by Krsqk:
I'm not even against state laws. I simply don't see the justification for the federal government to get involved.

Well, I can sort of see your point here then, but there are somethings that the states just aren't capable of dealing with. Phone communications cross state lines. Who has the jurisdiction to make and enforce the laws concerning their use? The state where the telemarketers are calling from, or my state? How do you enforce it. How do you even know what the laws are? What about calls origniating in one state going to another and routing through phone company switches in a third state. What if it's illegal in the third state. Can they step in and enforce it? What if the telemarketrs are calling from out of the country?

What you end up with is a bunch of lawyers running around in each state trying to enforce rulings that may or may not be possible to enforce, or even legal to enforce when issues of jurisdiction are given a constitutional test. A lot of duplication of effort and inefficency. And a lot of wasted time with the cases that end up getting transfered to other states or thrown out alltogether.

No, this is one case where the federal goverment actually has the potential to be more efficent then the states. Doesn't happen often, but there are times.

Geoschmo

[Wardad]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
This is not even the point. The question is what gives your company the right to use the telephone service that I pay for to harrass me with calls I did not ask for and do not want.
Geoschmo

I couldn't agree more.

I often respond to these scum sucking telemarketers (my son was one ) by asking if they are paying rent on my phone line. When they say no, I tell them to get off it.

They are unwelcomed and are abusing common curtosy by calling. They deserve no curtosy in return.

I used to work the night shift. I would have to unplug my phone because of these scum bags so I could get some sleep. I missed some important calls from family and friends.

The NO CALL list is a great Idea. I hope the program is really slow and uncoordinated about removing numbers from the list when phone service is terminated.

[Phoenix-D]

"I often respond to these scum sucking telemarketers (my son was one ) by asking if they are paying rent on my phone line. When they say no, I tell them to get off it."

I worked as one. For two weeks. The crap they have you pull is just ridiclous, even if the pay was decent ($100 for 18 hours of work + 3 hours training). And this was for a charity, not a for-profit buisness.

The Last straw came when they had me calling people who had attended my school in 1920. No, I doubt the aging little old lady wants to talk to me. I was given two objectives- raise money and keep the school's PR good. I told my boss I couldn't do both at once (in much nicer terms), and quit.

[Krsqk]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
No, this is one case where the federal goverment actually has the potential to be more efficent then the states. Doesn't happen often, but there are times.

I envision something like most neighboring states have worked out with each other regarding state income taxes. It's a fairly complicated system, but it shows that states can actually work together and get something accomplished with the proper motivation. Unfortunately, the proper motivation in that example is money, and lots of it. Maybe if we pushed the fines high enough, we could make it worthwhile to get along (and even see a tax cut here and there--yeah, right ).

[edit] And has anyone actually bought one of those Telezapper things? Do they actually work? If they really make the telemarketers get that stupid look like they do on the commercials, it might just be worth it for that.

[ July 11, 2003, 21:43: Message edited by: Krsqk ]

[Wardad]

Federal Goverment does have the right to regulate interstate commerce.
The FCC does regulate wireless communications to prevent transmitters interfering with one another.
The FCC also helps regulate the phone system.
So there are legal precedants.

Where in the constitution were they given the right to restrict the freedoms of buisness?
WRONG QUESTION!!!
Where in the constitution were businesses given any rights?

"A Nation of the people, by the people and for the people.." I do not see business or corporations mentioned there.

It is true that a business or corporation can be viewed as an extension of a persons or persons. And in fact, they do enjoy some limited rights and liabilties under the law.

"Promote the common welfare"
The FEDS can bend this line a long way. It could justify the FDA, Monopoly busting, and regulation over vital infrastructure(s).

yawn, enough rant for now....

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by Krsqk:
And has anyone actually bought one of those Telezapper things? Do they actually work? If they really make the telemarketers get that stupid look like they do on the commercials, it might just be worth it for that.

I haven't, but they do work. But the vultures are already developing new techniques that get around it. Like anything else it's a never ending race between those wanting to harras us and the technology to prevent it.

Geoschmo