OT:US don't qualify for EU membership, don't spank children, WW2 history.

[tesco samoa]

Thermo....

France and Britain delivered an ultimatum to Germany on the 1st of Sept to withdraw forces from Poland

On the 3rd they declared war when this ultimatum was not met.

This is quite well known.

[Loser]

Originally posted by Ruatha:
... the US don't even fulfill the basic criterias.
Mostly ... the death penalty.
But propably also some minority group issues...

I just have to ask. What, exactly are you talking about when you say "minority group issues"?

Please go into as much detail as you possibly can, as there is some chance for an anxious person to take offense to this and I am confident that you did not mean this in that sort of way.

[Slynky]

Originally posted by Ruatha:

What are the thoughts on this from you US fellows, are we Europeans squemish about human rights? (I don't think so), aren't you worried about your federal budget defeceit?

Death penalty? I'm certainly not worried about it. Of course, I believe in spanking children. To me, spanking children is the "junior" Version of the death penalty. Far as I'm concerned, there's a place and time for both. So, if getting rid of the death penalty, for example, helps us gain membership, to heck with it.

Deficit? Yeah, I don't like it. But you have to understand, this country runs on the premise that everyone needs to be in debt (spending all their money on crap they don't need so that corporations can make their dollars so that they can donate it to get "their" politicians elected/re-elected so that laws can be passed that benefit the corporations and allow them to make even more profit) and therefore, why not the government as well. Lead by example is what I say! After all, the money at the disposal of the US (and local) governments is there to be used to make sure favors are dispersed to the correct people (and a few dollars returning under the table) so that politicians can "invest" in getting re-elected and keeping the cycle going.

There are lots of "cycles", "vicious circles", and "scratch my back and I'll scratch your back" practices that have been going on for many many years. Just to darn bad the "lessor gods" don't understand there is an end to it coming. After all, we can't do ALL the US manufacturing outside the borders, all the IT support and design outside the borders, buy most of our energy outside the borders, have trade agreements with countries that continually favor the other countries, etc.

So, you see, those coffers you speak of are there for the legitimate looting of by the elected politicians. (of course, as long as a few bones are thrown to the "sheep" once in a while, it's OK ).

[ July 25, 2003, 21:01: Message edited by: Slynky ]

[Ruatha]

About minority Groups I have no facts, just observations from my travel there as to how a lot of the native americans, asians, hispanics and afroamericans are treated, and how much of that bad treatment is allowed and systemized, I don't say that there is no racism here in Europe, far from it, but there is more struggle against it from goverments I belive. (Don't really know much about the current US govt's struggle against it though!)

I was just wondering, how big is the current defecit in the US budget right now.
I now that it's big but so is the entire US budget, so in percantage it mightn't be that big.
3% is allowed in the EMU.

Spanking children????
Do you spank your grown up friends? Why not? Becourse they can fight back??
I've never been hit by my parents, I've never hit my kids and never will.
As it is Banned to physicly harm your kids (spanking) here in Sweden, spanking isn't very common, the rate of violent injuries and deaths among children has also decreased since that law was made in 1979. And compared to countries where spanking is allowed the violence against kids (death by violence) is far lower in countries where it is Banned.
Hitting your child means you've failed as an adult, you propably feel powerless and can't find any other way, it can't possibly be for the best of the child, saying that is really sick!

[ July 25, 2003, 21:40: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

[StormcloudCreations]

Originally posted by Ruatha:
I was just wondering, how big is the current defecit in the US budget right now.
I now that it's big but so is the entire US budget, so in percantage it mightn't be that big.
3% is allowed in the EMU.

I think (reading somewhere) that the deficit went over the $1 TRILLION dollar mark awhile back. That's a lot of money.

The US state of California alone is about $30+ billion in the hole, and the inept, spend-happy governor (Gray Davis) is about to get the axe for it soon in a recall election.

[Ruatha]

Originally posted by StormcloudCreations:

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Originally posted by Ruatha:
I was just wondering, how big is the current defecit in the US budget right now.
I now that it's big but so is the entire US budget, so in percantage it mightn't be that big.
3% is allowed in the EMU.

I think (reading somewhere) that the deficit went over the $1 TRILLION dollar mark awhile back. That's a lot of money.

The US state of California alone is about $30+ billion in the hole, and the inept, spend-happy governor (Gray Davis) is about to get the axe for it soon in a recall election.

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Yep, alot of money. But so is the US budget aswell, Do you now any % number?

(BTW, this thread is started only becourse I haven't gotten any PBW turn tonight!)

[ July 25, 2003, 22:11: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

[spoon]

Originally posted by Ruatha:

What are the thoughts on this from you US fellows

They're just afraid that if we sign a Trade & Research Treaty with them, we'll just use it to bypass their minefields.