SE4 Rating System

Slynky · #1 August 17th, 2003, 08:07 PM

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Originally posted by Excimer-500:
I'm definitely interested. In regards to Multiplayer games that are not Last Species Standing, why not simply have an agreement before the game begins that the allies can decide who the official winner is, instead of being forced to fight one another?

In other words: Three allied players win the game. Player A was considered to be the most instrumental player, B the next, and C had just a minor role (one of those players in the corner who helps with tech and resources Then C resigns (turns his empire over) to B, and B resigns to A.

If I understand the scoring correctly, Player C should still gain points in his/her/its rating, but just not as much as Players B and A.

When there is a disagreement as to who did more in the game, there is still the Last Species Standing option.

Just my two cents

LOL...I just cross-posted with you on your very point, I think. Funny, huh.

Anyway, take a look and see what you think about what I said.

geoschmo · #2 August 18th, 2003, 04:34 PM

I suppose this would eliminate the need for the myleague ladder I had setup. I wish I had known you were doing this before I did that.

Slynky · #3 August 18th, 2003, 05:47 PM

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Originally posted by geoschmo:
I suppose this would eliminate the need for the myleague ladder I had setup. I wish I had known you were doing this before I did that.

Couple of things:

(1) I certainly didn't intend to "step on anyone's toes", most especially yours, Geo. If it seems like that or if, after consideration, it appears to be the case, I apologize.

(2) The Last post the the League Ladder thread was on the 7th. Around that time, you posted a message saying (paraphrasing) that perhaps it wouldn't work and you needed to rethink it. Someone else (Chronon?) posted a message that "talked you down" and you said something about letting it ride and see how it goes. Now, I realize PBW has been down since August 1st and that THAT could have played a part in the thread languishing a bit. But, who knows. The questions stopped and Posts to the thread stopped. So, I just wondered if the idea was losing enthusiasm or interest.

(3) Unless the players who frequent this forum and PBW have an aVersion to being "bombarded by different rating/competition systems", I don't see why this method of rating a player can't work in conjunction with any other system of ranking players. Especially, for those of us who like all sorts of statistics, it gives opportunities for different bragging rights (e.g., "Hey guys, look at me! I'm in line to play the King in KOTH, ranked 4th in the PBW Ladder league, and the 6th highest rated player in the SE4 Ratings system!"). Or something like that, you get my point.

(4) I proposed this system because it's a tried and true system for many many years now. Though based in chess, it seems like it could work in SE4. One of the GOOD things about it is the points being calculated for winning or losing is based on an "expectancy to win" algorithm. So, losing to a highly rated player doesn't result in as many points lost as losing to one rated exactly the same as you.

(5) Two people messaged me and indicated support for this system, so I thought there may be some merit in it. And with PBW down, used the spare time to try and get it rolling

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Those are my thoughts on it. Again, I didn't mean to "muscle in" on the PBW League. For either of the systems to work well, there really needs to be a lot of players signed up so that the chances for a Ladder game or a Rated game to be available are better and better. Sadly, my proposal has only met with limited success (7 players) while the Ladder currently has 17 signups. So, if you think having 2 "ranking" systems is detrimental to each of them, I'll dismantle it. And, not wanting to put you on the spot, perhaps it's a question for all the players here. Perhaps some input from them would be good. Besides Lord Chane's time and my time, all else I have in it is $50 ($10 for the domain name). I used a generic domain name so that if it DID fail, I could use it for some other SE4 purposes. Or share it with others who want an advertisement-free location to post stuff. I dunno. And, ultimately, I could just get another domain name transferred to it and use it for my own purposes.

So, no biggie. Perhaps we should sit back and listen to some comments (pro and con).

And, in closing, my apologies, Geo. Never intended to "infringe" on the guy who has done the most for us SE4 addicts.

Slynky · #4 August 21st, 2003, 01:10 AM

Welcome to the Ratings system, BBegemott!

geoschmo · #5 August 20th, 2003, 04:55 PM

No appology is neccesary Slynky. I don't have a strong love for the ladder system. I think there is probably room for more then one, and if there is not and yours ends up being the prefered method of ranking I am not going to be offended in any way. My choice of the ladder my league ladder system was due to two points.

1. There has been a persistant feeling expressed among many people that some rating system was needed.

2. The My league ladder seems to fill that need while being relativly easy for me to administer.

However, if your Ratings system takes off so much the better. Having someone else run a Ratings system is even easier for me then administering the Myleague system.

Slynky · #6 August 20th, 2003, 07:22 PM

Welcome to the Ratings system, Tesco samoa! (I'll update the site with your name this evening).

geoschmo · #7 August 20th, 2003, 09:06 PM

It needs a catchier name.