i'm a political failure!!!

Master Belisarius · #1 March 21st, 2001, 01:56 AM

About your first question, I'm 100% sure about it, because was very easy test it (I got the aggressive race that I did, and change this parameter. After some general Messages they changed from Murdeous to Cool, but no more from Cool!

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About your second question, in my view the answer is yes. But test it, is more hard, because how can you know if the AI become angry for other things?

Lucanos · #2 March 21st, 2001, 04:53 AM

Master B. Wrote:
"...how can you know if the AI become angry for other things?"

Sometimes I think that if nothing happens - then the AI shouldn't be pissed of about anything (because there is nothing to be pissed about).

In my current game, the green neutral dudes got angry with me right after I had agreed to his trade treaty. Our relation - MODERATE.

Next turn it was ANGRY.

The turn after that MURDEROUS.

No ships in his system - no demanding or insulting - no MEE - he can't see my planets, nothing to be angry about.

So I guess, the answer to your question is: I can't know if the AI gets angry over other things. Because most often he (AI) gets angry over nothing.

Master Belisarius · #3 March 21st, 2001, 06:14 AM

Lucanos: Are you using the Modpack 1.61?
In my test games, the 1.61 Neutrals, are very aggressives.
They attack every ship that enter into their system, for example.
Remember that the Neutrals, were a source for the human players, to get an easy race to subjugate... then, would be that they were changed to be more hard.

Q · #4 March 21st, 2001, 06:32 PM

Lucanos are you sure that the race who got angry after you had a treaty with them could not see your planets?? If they have a partnership treaty with an other empire who sees your planets they will see them to!!!

dumbluck · #5 March 25th, 2001, 08:54 PM

I appreciate all of your help on this, but I must admit that I am still pretty confused about why the AI hates me so much.

1) The AIs that hate me as soon as we have a treaty had never seen any of my systems, so they don't lust after my planets. I know this because NO ONE had seen my systems in any way UNLESS they visited them before I did (which is not a very high probability).

2) The AIs had seen exactly ONE of my ships: the one that made first contact then immediately turned tail and ran out of the system. So they can't be angry with me over that.

3) I never initiate any conversations with them (i figured out on my own that they don't much like to be pestered with lots of general Messages).

4) I'm not MEE (hell, i'm not even in first place! the red guy that builds lots of ships is. he's got like 30 or 40 more ships than I do.)

So why do they hate me as soon as I make a treaty with them?

As an update, I HAVE found two races that don't hate me as soon as I make a treaty with them. One is the phong, I'm their partner and they are brotherly with me. the other is the red guys that build lots of ships. I just met them a few turns ago (but knew they were there for longer thru the phong). we have a TA, and they still like me. One thing to note is that there is one empire between my systems and each of my two treaties. I know that the red guys haven't seen my systems, and (of coarse), the phong have. Is it possible that there is a bug and the AI lusts after your systems even if it CAN'T see them?

[This message has been edited by dumbluck (edited 25 March 2001).]

DirectorTsaarx · #6 March 26th, 2001, 05:07 PM

It may be possible that it isn't necessarily anger at you, but anger in general, which gets directed at all races they have contact with.

More detail: when you make first contact, mood always seems to be "moderate". The mood is then modified by the races' anger score. Some events make them more or less angry to you in particular (ships/colonies in their system, coveting planets, various message types, giving gifts/tribute, etc.). However, anger can also increase for other reasons, depending on whether the race is peaceful, bloodthirsty or neutral. The "generic" anger may affect the AI's relations with neighbors.

Any other opinions on this?

Arralen · #7 March 26th, 2001, 08:35 PM

quote:
Originally posted by dumbluck:
Is it possible that there is a bug and the AI lusts after your systems even if it CAN'T see them?

Very likely - look at the "borders" screen - what does it say which system are "conquested" when you activate only your race and them?
Then disable the AI for that race .. and look which systems theirmap says they've claimed ...
Found the Sergetti claim 3 of my 4 systems, but when I looked into their turn, I found that they only have seen ONE, and of course haven't claimed the others !!!

Has anyone seen similar ?

Thinking about mailing the savegame to MM ..

A.