i'm a political failure!!!

DirectorTsaarx · #1 March 26th, 2001, 05:07 PM

It may be possible that it isn't necessarily anger at you, but anger in general, which gets directed at all races they have contact with.

More detail: when you make first contact, mood always seems to be "moderate". The mood is then modified by the races' anger score. Some events make them more or less angry to you in particular (ships/colonies in their system, coveting planets, various message types, giving gifts/tribute, etc.). However, anger can also increase for other reasons, depending on whether the race is peaceful, bloodthirsty or neutral. The "generic" anger may affect the AI's relations with neighbors.

Any other opinions on this?

Arralen · #2 March 26th, 2001, 08:35 PM

quote:
Originally posted by dumbluck:
Is it possible that there is a bug and the AI lusts after your systems even if it CAN'T see them?

Very likely - look at the "borders" screen - what does it say which system are "conquested" when you activate only your race and them?
Then disable the AI for that race .. and look which systems theirmap says they've claimed ...
Found the Sergetti claim 3 of my 4 systems, but when I looked into their turn, I found that they only have seen ONE, and of course haven't claimed the others !!!

Has anyone seen similar ?

Thinking about mailing the savegame to MM ..

A.

Lucanos · #3 March 27th, 2001, 11:29 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DirectorTsaarx:
It may be possible that it isn't necessarily anger at you, but anger in general, which gets directed at all races they have contact with.

More detail: when you make first contact, mood always seems to be "moderate".

(snip)

Any other opinions on this?

First I'd like to answer Q and Master B.

No!
...and
...No!

Now I'd like to ask DirectorTsaarx: If the AI have "anger" in general, howcome I've never met any angry or happy empires.

All empires I've met started of as "moderate" which doesn't seem like any "general anger" to me. Is the "general anger" an amount of decrease/increase in anger perhaps?

I think some of you agree with me when I say that the anger rules are somewhat fu*ked up (*=my respect for the moralists). All races are actually psychotic and no AI empires (not even the Phong or the Eee) are Honorable or Serene.

But even though the game is unbalanced and full of psychotic, dumb, evil empires it's still (one of the) the best game(s) in the world. Why is that?

Lucanos · #4 March 27th, 2001, 11:32 PM

ARRALEN,

do you set the option:
"Can view score of all players"

...at game setup?

Mabbe that's why AI empires get angry over planets they can't "see"?

Marty Ward · #5 March 28th, 2001, 02:55 AM

I've noticed since I installed the mod pak races that when I meet a new race they are always moderate and in 2-3 turns they are at war with me. I used to think it was personel against me. Glad to see I'm not alone in pissing them off for no reason.
Oh well I'd rather fight allies than be allies anyway!

Arralen · #6 March 28th, 2001, 11:56 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Lucanos:
ARRALEN,do you set the option:
"Can view score of all players" ...at game setup?Maybe that's why AI empires get angry over planets they can't "see"?

Only "can view score of allied players" - and the Sergetti never had any treaty with me (but I'll check this in the logfile

).

However, the point is not them getting angry .. the problems is my map says they claim my systems (what would make them angry), but their map doesn't even show these systems because they had never been there .. and you can't claim a system you never explored !!!

A.

Daynarr · #7 March 28th, 2001, 04:12 PM

The thing about AI claiming neighboring system is automatic and hard-coded. Whenever AI colonizes a system it automatically claims all surrounding systems even if he can't see them.

However, I don't believe that AI will go angry over a system that he can't see (in my experience). When game determines AI anger it simply looks at ALL the planets that AI can see and are colonized by you. For example, if I have claimed my neighboring system that has only asteroids in it and the AI has claimed the same system, it won't affect AI's anger. But if AI makes partnership with me (or some other empire that can see my systems), it can go berserk in just few turns.

What AI also hates are ships in his territory (if you don't have any treaty with him). If you have large fleet in any of system that AI claims, he will go angry really fast (the increase of anger is per-ship). This can be the cause of the anger discussed here.