i'm a political failure!!!

Daynarr · #1 March 28th, 2001, 04:12 PM

The thing about AI claiming neighboring system is automatic and hard-coded. Whenever AI colonizes a system it automatically claims all surrounding systems even if he can't see them.

However, I don't believe that AI will go angry over a system that he can't see (in my experience). When game determines AI anger it simply looks at ALL the planets that AI can see and are colonized by you. For example, if I have claimed my neighboring system that has only asteroids in it and the AI has claimed the same system, it won't affect AI's anger. But if AI makes partnership with me (or some other empire that can see my systems), it can go berserk in just few turns.

What AI also hates are ships in his territory (if you don't have any treaty with him). If you have large fleet in any of system that AI claims, he will go angry really fast (the increase of anger is per-ship). This can be the cause of the anger discussed here.

DirectorTsaarx · #2 March 29th, 2001, 12:29 AM

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Originally posted by Lucanos:
Now I'd like to ask DirectorTsaarx: If the AI have "anger" in general, howcome I've never met any angry or happy empires.

All empires I've met started of as "moderate" which doesn't seem like any "general anger" to me. Is the "general anger" an amount of decrease/increase in anger perhaps?

As I said in my original post, they always seem to start off "moderate" towards you; their mood from then on is definitely changed by your actions; but _may_ also be changed by other events, outside your control. THAT would be a "general anger" event. But I can't verify that this is happening.

Master Belisarius · #3 March 29th, 2001, 03:51 AM

Dynarr: I agree 100% with your observations.

Really I would not like to be in the Aaron shoes!!!
Some time ago, I can remember that the people said that was so easy, to sign a Trade alliance with an AI, and then, a few turns later, send a large fleet into the AI territory to destroy their planets...

Seems to be that's very hard try to find a balance, and keep happy everybody!

Beck · #4 March 29th, 2001, 05:27 AM

I agree, Master Belisarius. However there must be some middle ground. The signing of a simple trade agreement does not have to allow free access to each other's territory, particularly free access by ships containing weapons. Our planet is complex maze of trade agreements that does not allow for such access. Frequently I do not sign any such agreements simply because I don't want them poking around all my systems. Perhaps there could different levels of trade and trade/research agreements that allow for varying degrees of access. At the low end there would be no access, but trade and or research would be minimal. Access to systems adjacent to each other only would increase the level of trade/research and finally full access would garner the best possible level of trade and research.

Nitram Draw · #5 March 30th, 2001, 02:29 AM

Maybe a treaty could be modded that was like a non-intercourse with minimal trade. That way you could have some trade and still protect your systems.
I also hate the fact that once you sign a trade treaty the AI comes in and colonizes all the planets in my system that I can't. Then 50 turns later the decide to attack me and have more bases in my systems than I do! What a pain!

jc173 · #6 March 29th, 2001, 03:12 PM

Maybe the AI should be able to distinguish between warships and unarmed ships? Then perhaps only partnership/military alliance treaties would allow warships into other empire's territory without penalty?

jc173 · #7 March 29th, 2001, 03:13 PM

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Originally posted by Nitram Draw:
I also hate the fact that once you sign a trade treaty the AI comes in and colonizes all the planets in my system that I can't. Then 50 turns later the decide to attack me and have more bases in my systems than I do! What a pain!

That is quickly becoming one of my biggest pet peeves. Borders are completely worthless because the AI refuses to respect them at all. But it damns you all to hell if you violate the AI's borders.