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[QuarianRex]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Where did adolescent fantasies come into this? That is fairly insulting.

It wasn't meant to be an insult. That was not my intention at all. I was just trying to point out that most peoples conecptions of such things are, whether we want to admit it or not, based mostly on what we absorbed from comics and cartoons while growing up. When looking at strangeness in the real world we often hold it up to the benckmark of out disappointed adolescent fantasy and, obviously, find it lacking. This makes it easy to dismiss things out of hand. The actual phenomena are usually quite disappointing. Things like telekinesis are usually completely uncontrolled, and therefore exceedingly difficult to use in an experimental setting. Even when it does occur it is usually uninspiring ("Oh, look. That book just fell off the coffee table... Yippee!!!").

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
show me the hard data.

I didn't say that I had the hard data, only that I have seen the hard data. I have my notes from the course and such but I do not have copies of the research. I did, however, see the results of much of the research and am aware of some of the theories based (at least in part) on that research. Some of my profs theory is that "psi" phenomena are electromagnetic in nature (or at least manifest that was) and are strongly affected by the earths geomagnetic field (GMF). So much so that during times of GMF flux (such as during a solar flare) the occurrence of psi phenomena plummet. Conversly, the occurrence of hauntings (also a GMF phenomena) skyrockets. Looking at records of "psychic" type incidents going back @100 years seems to hold this theory up.

Anyway, enough typing for now.

EDIT: spelling

[ September 17, 2003, 22:18: Message edited by: QuarianRex ]

[Narrew]

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
show me the hard data.

I got some hard data for ya When I was younger, a few years ago, was my late 30s I wondered how come when I saw a hott woman OR there was a stiff breeze my pants tightened up, I really THOUGHT that was Telekinesis, then I was asked to take a poll for Trekkie Nerds *sigh*, I am so confused

ohh, sorry, welll not really, I just couldnt help myself

[oleg]

Originally posted by QuarianRex:
... I did, however, see the results of much of the research and am aware of some of the theories based (at least in part) on that research. Some of my profs theory is that "psi" phenomena are electromagnetic in nature (or at least manifest that was) and are strongly affected by the earths geomagnetic field (GMF). So much so that during times of GMF flux (such as during a solar flare) the occurrence of psi phenomena plummet. Conversly, the occurrence of hauntings (also a GMF phenomena) skyrockets. Looking at records of "psychic" type incidents going back @100 years seems to hold this theory up.

Anyway, enough typing for now.

EDIT: spelling

Please, spare me this nonsense. I work daily with magnetic fields 100000 stronger (750MHZ 1H Larmor frequency) then GMF, even at highset solar flare impacts and 100% sure all those results are utter and complete rubbish.

[QuarianRex]

Originally posted by oleg:
Please, spare me this nonsense. I work daily with magnetic fields 100000 stronger (750MHZ 1H Larmor frequency) then GMF, even at highset solar flare impacts and 100% sure all those results are utter and complete rubbish.

Please don't discount something as rubish without seeing the evidence. And I never said that the intensity of the field was the determining factor. It seems to be the flux that has the disruptive/enhancement effect, not necessarily the intensity of the GMF. Solar flares and such are just what have the most impact. Also note that it is usually the pattern of the signal, not the intensity, that can cause the most change. For instance, using cellphones, theoretically, have a greater chance of causing cancer than living near powerlines. The powerlines may be much more intense but that is essentially white noise, easily ignored/adjusted to by the body. Cellphones, on the other hand, send out structured signals that, if encountering the right cell at the wrong time, could 'tell' it to start replicating like a madman (a.k.a. cancer).

[QuarianRex]

Oleg:

Where do you work by the way?

[narf poit chez BOOM]

so, would lifting a frog with a magnetic field be possible? would it kill the frog?

if we establish a baseline for the power needed for a relativily telekinitec feat...if the pro people want, we can use a pencil as the baseline. knocking a book of the shelf doesn't take a lot of energy.

and this has nothing to do with my adolesent fantasy's.

[Fyron]

No forms of "psi", no matter how small, exist in reality. I was not merely stating that stuff like what is in comics and movies was fantasy, but all of it. I have seen various forms of "evidence", and none of it added up.

Cell phones cause cancer is an urban legend.