Ringworld/Sphere World

[alasyr]

If you are adding (reaping) components which total resources doesn't exceed the 1/3 of current value design you are actually paying less (20% less at least) than you would by building the damn thing.The only retrofit that cost more than buid is the Last one as the RW(SW) placement, cable and plating components cost 3*100K, 3*50K respectively which is quite more than 1/3 of Last design.

[rdouglass]

OK Why build a RW? Resources man!!!

I'm currently playing a game where I have Religious trait (Talismans are COOL - you never miss with direct fire weapons!!!) and 2 RW's. On the RW's I have a Space Port, ShipYard, Nature Shrine (increase all values of planet 3% per year), Time Shrine (increase production by 15%), Robotoid Factory, and Monolith III's. Each Rw is putting out OVER 200K each of resources!!! That is enough right now to support a LOT of ships and fleets. Now I'm converting most of my other smaller planets (medium size and smaller) to ShipYards. Man, I can put together a pretty substantial fleet in about 4 turns without having to worry at all about resources...

Thats why I build RW's....

[Spyder]

Well, in a highly competitive game that is Lasting a long time, I can see where the extra population & resources can help. However, against the game's AI, by the time you build an artificial planet, you should have already won.

We discussed this in an earlier topic when I asked the same question



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Spyder, Chairman of the Arachnid Consortium

[Suicide Junkie]

Ah, but when you are retrofitting, to get around the 50% increase limitation, you must retrofit multiple times.

As soon as you do the second retrofit, you've spent more resources than it would cost to build it directly.

Even if you retrofit from Plating or somesuch directly to Placement, you must pay full price for the Plating, and then a whole bunch more to remove the Plating, and even more to add the Placement generator.

You pay tons of resources to speed-build.

[Drake]

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Originally posted by rdouglass:
I'm currently playing a game where I have Religious trait (Talismans are COOL - you never miss with direct fire weapons!!!) and 2 RW's. On the RW's I have a Space Port, ShipYard, Nature Shrine (increase all values of planet 3% per year), Time Shrine (increase production by 15%), Robotoid Factory, and Monolith III's. Each Rw is putting out OVER 200K each of resources!!!

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In my game for the TG contest, I only had time to build about 50 facilities on my ringworlds, and ended up with about 380K each. Don't bother with time shrines, use system robotoid facilities instead (30% bonus instead of 15%), and don't put that on the ringworld itself, use a support planet that's tiny for all system effects! You're wasting space by putting system effects on a bigger planet, unless you need to for defense purposes. Also, instead of waiting for the nature shrine to do its work, put multiple value improvement facilities on the ringworld until it hits 250%, then scrap the facilities and just put Monolith IIIs on them. The nature shrine is good for early cheap improvement, but if you're building ringworlds, you should have the tech and resources to go with improvement facilities instead.

Under the correct racial settings, you can get over 1 million production per resource on a full ringworld, and 2 million on the sphereworlds. If you don't believe me, here's the math, using a race with advanced storage.

118 (facilities) * 900 resources * 2.5 (value) * 1.3 (planet robotoid) * 1.3 (system robotoid) * 2.4 (100% population + 20% happiness + 20% racial bonuses) = 1,076,868

The 118 assumes two facilities are for the spaceyard and planetary robotoid factory.

Switching to 238 for a sphereworld nets you 2,171,988 in each resource.

[alasyr]

My calculation using intermidiate designs for retrofiting (design total costs start = 21470 -> 32200 -> 48300 -> 72450 -> 108670 -> 163000 = final)
for cable & plating base use 201471 while built the normal way it would cost 163000 making it 38471 more expensive but 2-3 times faster.Designs and components are in attached spreadsheet.Only the Last retrofit is cost ineffective.