Toltayan Terminators, need ur help :P

[Master Belisarius]

Originally posted by Me Loonn:
I've got a serious problem with them Toltayans.. in EVERY single game i get them as opponent, they ALWAYS wipeout EVERY other race thats out there, including myself
ATM, im on round 52 and they already have over twice my score, and triple or more compared the other AIs

Nowdays, I only use TDM+FQM with low AI bonuses, and i just seem to never win agains them. Rest of the AIs are really hard at early times, but with the superior focus on research i usually always win... eventually

Except when the Toltayans come banging my HW doors :/

Hmmm, what TDM Version do you have installed?

Because the Toltayan performed very bad in the AI Death Match 2 that I runned some months go.
Here you can find the results: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newup...1053735976.zip

And by the way, think so far the most strong TDM AI is the UF.

[Me Loonn]

Cant recall, not too old but not the latest either, i think..

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TDM 3.20

[ October 18, 2003, 12:25: Message edited by: Me Loonn ]

[Master Belisarius]

Originally posted by Me Loonn:
Cant recall, not too old but not the latest either, i think..

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TDM 3.20

Ok, then think you should try the Last one (3.30).
Here the link: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newup...1066028417.zip

[Me Loonn]

Well its been long time since i got both United Flora and Toltayans same time in the galaxy, prob coss i only use max 10 AIs per game.

The United Flora are also really bad enemy, but toltayans are using PPBs etc, ripping thru my shield generator IIIs, making them useless.

Reason why i keep losing agains them is most likely coss i suk so badly in the game

Mayby i should try not to get hostile so fast with them ..

lol

[primitive]

Very strange that you have the Toltoyans beating up the other AI's several games in a row. I have played a bundle of SP games with TDM 3.20, and I can't remember the Toltoyans ever making it very far.

Originally posted by Me Loonn:
...... but toltayans are using PPBs etc, ripping thru my shield generator IIIs, making them useless.

Anyway, here my 0.02 $ on shields:
Personally I (almost) never build any Shields before I have at least Shield IV. If there are PPBs around, I dont build Shields until i get Phased III or IV. My advise is to always research Armor to the end before starting Shields to get Stealth and Scattering Armor early (for the bonuses). This gives ordinary Armor III for "free", which is comparable to low level Shields but both cheaper and safer.
1 Shield III: 40 KT - 150 shield points + 40 Damage - 300 Minerals
4 Armor III: 40 KT - 160 Damage - 200 Minerals

[Me Loonn]

Well this time i didnt start nextdoor to them toltayans, and now they are at war with everyone they have met, mega evil empire just kicked in i guess. I had MEE disabled for awhile now for testing purposes.

By checking the scores seems that those Toltayans are n trouble now, their score has been in free fall past 5 or 10 rounds - it was over 3M, now its about 2M.
I guess i was too worried too soon
Some 4 or 5 games before this, i kept having toltayans as my first (and only) neighbor, blocking my way out to the rest of the galaxy, but seems they are only nasty enemy when its early in game, for me anyway.

As long as i can keep my corner of the galaxy clean & safe (about 25-30 systems), i should not have any problems from the AIs - this time - my empire creates 800k research and 150k intel points per turn, round 73 ..

[Me Loonn]

Originally posted by primitive:
Very strange that you have the Toltoyans beating up the other AI's several games in a row. I have played a bundle of SP games with TDM 3.20, and I can't remember the Toltoyans ever making it very far.

Well you might be right on that part, this is the first game long time i managed to get past 75 turns, when starting nextdoor of AIs.

I took a look at Toltayans empire, and seems they are in very nice spot in the galaxy, only one wp leading awayt from their corner, all systems colonized, about 30 systems total in their control more or less. The bad thing is the one way out is to the center part of the gal, where everyone are fighting and wiping out them, there are 3 major empires all at war with so no real way to expand any further, unlike all other empires.

Seems im gonna win this one, i just closed 3 wps leading to the heart of my controlled space, leaving all my ships, fighters and mines to the one warppoint, the only a way out to the galaxy.

I guess its all about where you start at ..