Stars! comparison

[Suicide Junkie]

There are studies that show too little radiation can increase the risk of cancer.

The graph of risk vs radiation looks like a rounded checkmark.

http://www.sciam.com/media/inline/00...41890000_2.gif
from
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?art...890000&catID=2

[oleg]

Those graphs show no error bars. It is a no go for a real, serious science. Also, there is no mentions of sampling sizes.

However, if it is indeed statistically significant, I would really like to see the theory behind !
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Edit - I checked the original papers and it may reaaly be a case. Hmmm...

Moderate drinking is benefitial to the health. It is a very well established fact now. But how about low-dose smoking ??? Is it possible that one or two sigarets per months can actually make you better off ?

[ October 20, 2003, 22:20: Message edited by: oleg ]

[QuarianRex]

Oleg:
As far as questioning the relevance of the graphs and such, please realize that you are not reading the published article, but merely a sound-bite type of summary.

As far as the soundness of the theory... well it has been known of and used for millenia. ancient herbal remedies often included noxious ingredients that, if used in the right amount, had the opposite effect of what you would otherwise expect. Another great example is the practice of using leeches as a curative. Leeches were not used out of ignorance, they were used because they worked, the barbers at the time just didn't know the actual reason why. Having several wounds, superficial though they may be, throws the immune system into action. To greater action that is required to counter the feeble leech attack. The now aroused immune system would then confront whatever other ailments there were (worms, sniffles, the black plague, etc.). Therefore leeching (and bleeding in general) became a general cure-all because, in some ways, it was.

This type of effect is especially apparent with chemicals. The japanese practice of eating blowfish (one of the most poisonous creatures in the world) is so dangerous not because it is hard to remove the edible part of the fish, that is quite easy, but because it is hard to leave in just the right amount of poison. If the corect amount of neurotoxin is left in then the dish provides a pleasant euphoria. The same goes with strichnine, a small enough amount can get you high. Same with nicotine. It is one of the most deadly poisons we know of (it is often used as rat poison) yet in small enough doses it can be pleasantly addictive (and atually acts as a memory enhancing drug due to its mimicry of the brains own neurotransmitters). In fact, neuologists often advise the victims of certain types of stroke to keep smoking (against their family doctors advice) since it may be the only thing that is allowing them to remember their own name. The possibility of cancer is an acceptible risk in such circumstances and can be dealt with when it comes.

[Atrocities]

For many years I longed for a game like SE IV and Stars without ever knowning what I wanted was already out. I was in the dark, clueless really about SE and Stars completely until someone turned me onto both games demos at about the same time. I instantly took a liking to both, but fell in love with SE IV. I have never really gotten into stars, but I think I haven't because I want to keep it in reserve.

I had hoped that Stars Supernova Genesis would be completed by now, but that game has langered in oblivion for over three years now.

I still have Stars and really want to play it, but after playing SEIV I find it hard to dedicate the time needed to learn Stars.

What is this Game ruining thing you spoke of?

[EvilGenius4ABetterTomorro]

You could check out Stars SG at crisium.com. Sounds cool but there hasn't been any activity or news since the summer of 2002! And Flying Squirrel Sound (does the music for the game) hasn't reordered from my company (duplicates the CD's) since January 2002. Yeah it's dead!

I found there was a little too much micro management involved in Stars. Graphically it wasn't pleasing at all. I played it for a week and went back to MOO2.

[Timstone]

Yup, Stars! Genesis is dead. Unfortunately, coz I wanted to play the game very much. I thought they implemented a lot of cool stuff to seriously give the Stars! game a huge boost in the right direction. Ah well, we'll just continue to wait for SE V.

[gregebowman]

Hmm, never play Stars. I don't even remember seeing it out on the shelves, but that may have been either before I had my PC, or my old PC didn't meet the minimum requirements, so I ignored it. I like the 4x type of games, and will buy most of them if I can. I missed out on Moo1, and didn't buy MOO2 until just before MOO3 came out. Good thing that I did that, from what I've been hearing about MOO3. Lately, I've been having a bLast playing Galactic Civilizations. I kind of alternate between playing GC and SEIVG, when I'm not playing Hearts of Iron. But my playing time will be further condensed once Railrood Tycoon 3 and Civ III: Conquests come out later this month.

[Atrocities]

EvilGenius4ABetterTomorro said:
You could check out Stars SG at crisium.com. Sounds cool but there hasn't been any activity or news since the summer of 2002! And Flying Squirrel Sound (does the music for the game) hasn't reordered from my company (duplicates the CD's) since January 2002. Yeah it's dead!

We brought this up on Chat today and well a search of their web site showed it was 404 down, and the only other info were a few screen shot and a statement that Empire Interactive was going to release the game in 2004. There was a shot of the box art but we all know that nothing has happned on this game since then. Too bad Shrapnel couldn't afford to help with the development costs. Might have been a great addition to their on line line up.

[boran_blok]

Stars is in some ways similar to SE but in other ways quite different. I really like the one space setup (no wormholes to connect it all) which makes it far more "realistic" imho (insofar you can use that term) and I really like a lot of the other features such as the ship movement and fuel system etc. but SEIV is very much alive and stars rather isnt.

[Ruatha]

QuarianRex said:
Oleg:
As far as questioning the relevance of the graphs and such, please realize that you are not reading the published article, but merely a sound-bite type of summary.

As far as the soundness of the theory... well it has been known of and used for millenia. ancient herbal remedies often included noxious ingredients that, if used in the right amount, had the opposite effect of what you would otherwise expect. Another great example is the practice of using leeches as a curative. Leeches were not used out of ignorance, they were used because they worked, the barbers at the time just didn't know the actual reason why. Having several wounds, superficial though they may be, throws the immune system into action. To greater action that is required to counter the feeble leech attack. The now aroused immune system would then confront whatever other ailments there were (worms, sniffles, the black plague, etc.). Therefore leeching (and bleeding in general) became a general cure-all because, in some ways, it was.

This type of effect is especially apparent with chemicals. The japanese practice of eating blowfish (one of the most poisonous creatures in the world) is so dangerous not because it is hard to remove the edible part of the fish, that is quite easy, but because it is hard to leave in just the right amount of poison. If the corect amount of neurotoxin is left in then the dish provides a pleasant euphoria. The same goes with strichnine, a small enough amount can get you high. Same with nicotine. It is one of the most deadly poisons we know of (it is often used as rat poison) yet in small enough doses it can be pleasantly addictive (and atually acts as a memory enhancing drug due to its mimicry of the brains own neurotransmitters). In fact, neuologists often advise the victims of certain types of stroke to keep smoking (against their family doctors advice) since it may be the only thing that is allowing them to remember their own name. The possibility of cancer is an acceptible risk in such circumstances and can be dealt with when it comes.

Hmm, thats the biggest load of rubbish I've read in a long time, in so many, many ways.
I know several neurologists (am a doctor myself) and no-one would recommed anyone to smoke to enhance the memory!