Do you like Klingons?

[PvK]

Another "astounding" episode. That's gonna hurt to re-watch.

Thanks.

PvK

[Atrocities]

There were other episodes as well, the Indian one, where Kirk looses his memorie. The Corbonie Manuaver were we discover that there was a really ancient race of exploriers. The Doomsday Machine ws another good episode.

By all counts the Quadrant that Earth and the other races are in is filled with younger races. The Dominion was founded 10,000 years before man walked the earth, and the Borg are realatively a young race at 2,000 years old. (The Borg are explained in better detail in Shatners Star Trek books. Most are rather good and explain a lot about Star Trek V & VI and his death scene in Star Trek VII. A good read.)

No one knew what happened to the Enterprise A after she was decommissioned. She was given away and later destroyed.

What about the loop holes? Scotty knew Kirk had been lost to the Nexus, but when he was rescued from the transported buffer in TNG era, his first words were about Kirk coming to rescue him. Ever think about that? Tis explained somewhere, Scotty actually goes back in time, "after" he his ship crashes on the Dysonsphere. He removes any record of the ships loss from all federation data banks and goes on with his life up to the point where Kirk is lost. He knew the future, but could not tell any one, that is why he knew that Kirk was gone after the accident on Enterprise B.

What ever happened to Spock and the Romulan Rebels? Did they ever succeed?

These kind of question are what books are for. The actors that played these parts are now too old to base movies off of.

What about Savik? Checkov became Commander And Chief Starfleet, but what about Sulu?

NOTE to Fyron: One of the many reasons I hated voyager was that story they did where Tuvok was on the Excelcior at the time that ST VI was occuring and they killed off a character that you can clearly see in the back ground in the final bridge shot of Sulu's good bye to Kirk. Voyage lacked on many levels consistant detail and story continuity with the other series and movies. (The character that should have been used was the one played by Christan Slater.)

Don't get me wrong there were some fine episodes of Voyager, but not very many.

[ January 05, 2004, 06:23: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

[Fyron]

AT, no Star Trek series has good continuity. Voyager was no exception. Actually counting the different fill ins they used as random crew members is just being anally retentive and serves no real purpose. Who the hell cares that they did not use the exact same fill ins every single time? Big deal. Star Trek is rife with holes. The only thing that is consistent in Star Trek is that it is not consistent.

[ January 05, 2004, 06:25: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[Atrocities]

Very true, but Voyager really blew it out of proportion.

I think that Voyager could have been a lot better, but the one thing that got me was that no one cared to pay attention to the details.

A count was kept of the crew members seen on the show, and after seven years that count was over 200 while the ship only had a crew of something like 135.

The ship looked as new as the day it was crissoned despite not having resources to reapir hull damage.

The Shuttles craft count. They blew up quite a few. (This was eventually touched on in one episode where they mentioned they were building replacements.) Good catch.

The fact that they had replactor rationing when they could eat all the food they wanted in the Holo-suites.

I could go on.

The point is despite having the potential, voyager became far less than it could have become.

STNG was very consistant, as was DS9. Enterprise is also doing an ok job but who knows what will happen there.

[Atrocities]

Originally posted by Atrocities:
Please keep in mind that these are just prototype images only. I am still working on them all. The Romulan image is just something I threw in for sport. All images are 1024 x 768

Romulan Bird of Prey (Prototype)

Vort'Cha

Klingon BOP

Klingon D - 16 Battle Cruiser

well has any one looked yet?

[Fyron]

Enterprise wrecked any consistency with anything in other ST series. It is a good thing they dropped the Star Trek from its title...

TNG had a number of inconsistencies as well... though it was often far more silly than necessary... a kid as a bridge crewman? Yeah... sure...

A count was kept of the crew members seen on the show, and after seven years that count was over 200 while the ship only had a crew of something like 135.

As I said before, that is just being anally retentive. Who the hell cares that they used different extras? It doesn't matter. It would have been much more expensive to keep the same extras throughout the entire 7 year run. Actual named crewmen don't come close to 135.

The ship looked as new as the day it was crissoned despite not having resources to reapir hull damage.

They found plenty of resources. Anything on the hull plating could be replicated from any source matter, including intermittent dust particiles in space. All it takes is some time and energy. When they were in extended periods of fighting and had no time to replicate and repair, the ship accrued plenty of battle damage.

The Shuttles craft count. They blew up quite a few. (This was eventually touched on in one episode where they mentioned they were building replacements.) Good catch.

I think that was mentioned fairly early on...

The fact that they had replactor rationing when they could eat all the food they wanted in the Holo-suites.

Food in the holo suites is holographic, and could not be eaten to gain nutrients. If it were made to actually be editable and digestible, it would require the use of replicators, and would use up some of the crewman's replicator rations. There is no inconsistency there at all.

[ January 05, 2004, 06:53: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[Atrocities]

Oh man you have just bitten off more than you can chew.... Do you really want to get into a debate about these points with me?

As I said before, that is just being anally retentive. Who the hell cares that they used different extras? It doesn't matter. It would have been much more expensive to keep the same extras throughout the entire 7 year run. Actual named crewmen don't come close to 135.

Who care are the people who watch the show and try to understand the inconsistancy and lack of detail that something as stupendious as this breeches. They are out in the middle of no where, yet they manage to show they had over 200 crew memeber, over 200 of them, even thought they had only 135 or so? This is a HUGE fricking plot foul up and yes they should have paid closer attention to this. Cost be damned, it completely underminded the credibility of the show.

They found plenty of resources. Anything on the hull plating could be replicated from any source matter, including intermittent dust particiles in space. All it takes is some time and energy. When they were in extended periods of fighting and had no time to replicate and repair, the ship accrued plenty of battle damage.

Although this was lightly touched on in a few episodes, it more often than not resulted in them loosing more than they had gained. The little that they did explain gaining could not support the grand effort that you have depicted while the ship still was operating under repulator rations.

I think that was mentioned fairly early on...

In regard to the shuttles, it was not mentioned until season seven. Before that it was a plot hole that kept coming up over and over again so finally the producers/writers decided to handle it.

Food in the holo suites is holographic, and could not be eaten to gain nutrients. If it were made to actually be editable and digestible, it would require the use of replicators, and would use up some of the crewman's replicator rations. There is no inconsistency there at all.

And we are back again to the old continuity factor.

Holo suites and replacators are a spin off of Transporter technology according to Trek Cannon. The food in a holo suite is the same food that a replacator creates. They drink in holo suites, they can eat in them, they can have sex in them. The food and drink are as real as if they came from a replacator. The show made a point to stress that holo suites run off of a differant power source than the replicators. This was a huge hole continuity wise because it was established in both STGN and DS9 that holosuites can generate replicated food. This was never explained in Voyager thus it is one of those things that are open to debate.

Voyager blew the hell out of common sense continuity. Enterprise is walking a very fine line, but the series is not yet complete and they do have an out. Do to the temperal cold war, all of the events in Enterprise may never actually happen in the end. We simply do not know yet.

About the kid on the bridge of Enterprise in TNG, well you gotta remember that the first two season of TNG sucked horribly because Gene was running things. He might have been a gifted man and the creater of Star Trek, but he could not write an episode worth watching. This gets back to the conflict thing I mentioned earlier.