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Fyron · #1 January 9th, 2004, 04:25 AM

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Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
indeed. and not all of them were evil. i might also point out that evil people tend to worship themselves.

Most ambitious leaders throughout history have been rather religious.

Loser · #2 January 9th, 2004, 04:33 AM

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Most ambitious leaders throughout history have been rather religious.

eh?

Well, it's only anecdotal evidence, but: Napoleon, Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan, Hitler, Stalin, Hussein (ambition there, not so much success), no really enthusiastic religion there.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Fyron · #3 January 9th, 2004, 04:35 AM

I was talking about the whole of history, not recent times. Atheism is much more accepted in the modern eras than it has been in ancient eras.

Though, Stalin and Hitler did kill a lot of people because of their religious views... my initial comment had nothing to do with the person in charge being especially religious...

[ January 09, 2004, 02:36: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

Fyron · #4 January 9th, 2004, 04:43 AM

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Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
again, it's ambitious leader's who were probably athiests and intollerance.

Also, keep in mind that throughout history, there has been in general an inverse relation between religious devotion and tolerance.

[ January 09, 2004, 02:43: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

narf poit chez BOOM · #5 January 9th, 2004, 08:49 AM

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Also, keep in mind that throughout history, there has been in general an inverse relation between religious devotion and tolerance.

how do you measure religious devotion if people aren't killing each other over it? no, really. some merchant in 200BC makes 2,000GP, makes a record of it, tell me people aren't going to assume he wasn't religious if he doesn't include religeon in his financial records, which he probably won't. and how do you know his religious devotion isn't peacefull? i would say that during times of war is when religious retoric is used the most(keeping in mind that retoric just means arguments and is not a value judgement) so how do you get an accurate count of religious devotion when peacefull people are generally quieter about there religeon than violent people? plus, of course, in times of crisis, people will be more religious. they may lapse after, in which case it was need, not faith.

aside from all my other arguements.

[ January 09, 2004, 06:54: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

JurijD · #6 January 9th, 2004, 11:50 AM

I agree with Pinky here

Saying that god is the caouse of death is as silly as saying its the guns fault... I didn't kill him, the gun did.

you have to remember that: The devil can always quote the bible to suit his/her

needs.

Yes people often used religion as an excuse for wars BUT whoever STICKS to the modern ideals of these great world religions (Islam, Christianity, Budism, Hinduism etc.) is a person who is peaceful and tolerant.

gregebowman · #7 January 9th, 2004, 03:38 PM

It seems to me that the Spanish were rather brutal in their conVersion process. Anyone remember the Inquisition? It was convert or die. NOw, what kind of choise is that? Give up my god or go to face him/her/it? I'm glad we live in a more enlightened time (not counting the extreme muslims) and country (if you live in the US). At least most of us can choose our religion nowadays, instead of having it forced down our throats.