OT- LOTR fan discussion thread - SPOILER WARNING

[geoschmo]

Actually after I posted that I found a quote of Tolkien caying Mordor in his mind is roughly where the Balkans are. The map in my head was a bit too small I guess. So would put the Shire in great Britain as you say. And Gondor somewhere in mid/southern Europe. Say France or Italy. So the Dwarves are from Holland? How vierd.

[Captain Kwok]

I've just started to re-read the trilogy again after seeing the movies a number of times, well, lots of times. I'm really starting to pick up and how they used a lot of the dialogue from the book (more or less, word-for-word) although sometimes in different settings, for example, the Frodo-Gandalf conversation about Gollum and pity etc. moved to Moria in the FoTR movie. Anyways, they did a fantastic job bringing the books to the screen and I've throughly enjoyed each film and I cannot wait for the Extended Edition of RoTK.

[gravey101]

yes, I thought that too. Particularly in the ROTK. I think Theoden's speech before the Pelennor Fields particularly comes to mind. It is intresting, that for the most part IMO, the most striking dialogue in the movies is that which comes word for word from the books. I too am re-reading the books. Funny how now I cannt help but associate the mvie characters faces and voices with the characters in the book now.

[ January 08, 2004, 15:31: Message edited by: gravey101 ]

[Growltigger]

Gravey101, I agree with you totally, I cannot imagine anything in the book without reverting to the images used in the film EXCEPT for the trolls.

Dunno why, but I still have the trolls in my head as kind of like big orcs, rather than the doughboy things pictured in the movie.

Geo, I guess Gondor is kind of round Rome/Greece (certainly the style of buildings used in the movie look like a cross between renaissance and classical architecture).

Dwarfs? not Holland, no mountains (or hills for that matter) unless that was your joke - more like Norway I feel. You can imagine Gimli doing the Swedish chef impression with his axe

[Fyron]

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
i would argue that he is the most powerfull being on middle earth; the demi-gods are all on that island which isn't part of middle earth any more. in the FOTR, he said that if he kept the ring, all the other lands would fall to darkness, then his. since he appears to be totally unnafected by the ring, that would mean he wouldn't use it even if it didn't corrupt him, and the most powerfull would tend to get conquered Last.

that logic might not hold if he could use it without being corrupted and would use it to hold them off at the Last.

Being uncorruptable and being powerful are two different things. I don't think he could have used the ring at all. His fate was not intertwined with it, which is what makes him not subject to its influence.

Also, you are forgetting that the Maiar are also demi-gods, though lesser demi-gods. Sauron, Gandalph and Sauruman are all Maiar.

[ January 08, 2004, 17:39: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[Fyron]

Dunno why, but I still have the trolls in my head as kind of like big orcs, rather than the doughboy things pictured in the movie.

They were described in the books very similarly to how they appear in the movies.

Funny thing is that I recall reading that the Trolls were created from captured Ents corrupted by Morgoth/Melkor.

[Loser]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Sauron, Gandalph and Sauruman are all Maiar.

Wasn't the Balrog, as well?