OT- LOTR fan discussion thread - SPOILER WARNING

Will · #1 January 9th, 2004, 02:29 AM

Ever since reading the Silmarillion, I kind of had Aule and Bombadil connected in my mind... that link just cemented that. Never quite made the Goldberry/Yavanna connection, but it makes sense.

narf poit chez BOOM · #2 January 9th, 2004, 08:52 AM

i always thought Goldberry was an elf.

[ January 09, 2004, 06:52: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

Growltigger · #3 January 9th, 2004, 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Actually... he does sort of appear indirectly, in the form of that moth that always precedes the eagles... he did take that form to reach Gandalph in the books, though he became himself again to talk with him. [/QB]

Did he? I cannot recall that at all. Gandalf mentions that Radagast met him south of Bree with the message from Saruman to come to Orthanc for his counsel (ie give him the offer to join up with Saruman or else), but Radagast was in human form and rode off on a horse, not as a moth. Radagast was chums with lots of birds and beasties (including the eagles) but I dont recall he could change into their shape.

As to the trolls, I'll beg to disagree that the book portrays them as fat grunting blobby things. Certainly, I cannot imagine the LOTR movie trolls having a lucid discussion about how to cook dwarves as per the hobbit.

The trolls were also made by Sauron in mockery of the Ents. He didnt capture Ents and corrupt them, as he did elves to make the orcs.

Munchausen, I had forgotten about the Byzantium/Gondor analogy. I recall reading that and I must admit, it does appeal.

Good read that. I always believed that Bombadil and Goldberry was a pointer back to the nature spirits the Saxons and Angles believed lived in the woods and the waters. Powerful beings that you did not worship, but paid heed to.

[ January 09, 2004, 08:17: Message edited by: Growltigger ]

Loser · #4 January 10th, 2004, 02:20 AM

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Originally posted by Someone Else:
"Do you know how cats came into being? They were dogs, once. Then they were captured by the Dark Powers. Tortured, and mutilated. A ruined, and horrible form of life!"
-Saruman

geoschmo · #5 January 10th, 2004, 02:30 AM

The moth in the movie is not Radagast. In the book it's not a moth or radagast that comes to Gandalph on the tower. It's an eagle sent by Radagast to relay a message that ends up rescuing him. Radagast wasn't even aware at the time that Saruman had turned and imprisoned Gandalph. It was just a fortunate happenstance. In the movie they just turned it around and Gandalph talks to a moth that just happens to pass by and sends a message to the eagle himself.

Geoschmo

Growltigger · #6 January 10th, 2004, 02:37 AM

Geo, that's how I remember it.

I like the bit in the movie however at the Battle of the Morannon where the moth wafts its way in front of Gandalf, and then two seconds later, Tora Tora Tora the eagles are diving in and giving the Nazgul a kicking. Artisitc licence maybe, but great cinema.

And loser, as an inveterate cat lover (I have three) and someone who dislikes dogs, I am choosing to abide by Atrocities' sentiments on his other thread, and not rise to the bait

geoschmo · #7 January 10th, 2004, 02:46 AM

Actually I guess I shouldn't say definitivly that the moth in the movie does not represent Radagast. I don't know the intentions fo the screen writers afterall. But nothing that is shown in the movie would give you any indication that it is Radagast in insect form. And they never once mention him by name or othewise that I can remember.