What is the Name our Moon?

[Baron Munchausen]

People selling property on the Moon eventually will be prosecuted as scam artists. The same treaties that renounce any claims of sovereign nations over any of the planets or other extra-terrestrial bodies also prohibit the granting of private property rights to them. How could it be otherwise? Property rights are granted and mediated by sovereign nations! How stupid do you think the UN is? (Ok, don't answer that one...) Anyone who thought about the issue for 10 minutes would realize that disallowing sovereign claims would have to also disallow private property to prevent 'proxy' control.

[ January 28, 2004, 17:57: Message edited by: Baron Munchausen ]

[geoschmo]

Although, if someone were to figure out a way to get to the moon with some people, they could make a potentially legitimate claim of sovereignty. The moon, or some portion of it would be then a new independant country. They'd have to be recognized of course by the nations of earth for it to mean anything. But I cannot as a private citizen of the US claim a part of the moon, because as Baron says, in effect that is saying the US has proxy control over that territory. And the US and other nations have signed treaties forbiding that.

[Narrew]

Baron I think your right only because there is no nation going up there. I think the whole issue will change (including existing treaties you mentioned) if one country (or a group of them such as the E.U.) makes it a priority to go to the moon or other planetoid. What is there to stop someone if there is no one else there and by the time there would be competing Countries, the infrastructure would be there and the owning country would just say, move on over there, we were here first.

I think it would be interesting to see how things will go, but I assure you the countries that do not spend the money to go "out there" will DEMAND their portion of the pie.

But as I said it is moot now, no one is actually doing anything. even if we get a science outpost on the moon wouldnt count, not big enough project.

[Baron Munchausen]

Of course, if the current political climate of the USA continues on course it's entirely possible that some future administration will simply withdraw from the treaties if it finds some advantage in doing so and claim the Moon as US territory.

[Combat Wombat]

I'm not sure if this has been said yet because I don't have the time to read the entire thread but didn't the US sign a treaty stating that no country can claim a planet or moon or whatever for themselves. I don't remember where I heard this or any details about it but if someone else knows of this treaty could they give me a link to it or explain it in detail.

[Narrew]

LOL, we dont need no stinking treaty. Actually as Baron pointed out there are treaties ect in place. I just don't think it will mean anything once someone gets out there, then they will use possesion is 9/10ths of the law.

I do disagree with you Baron, I don't think the current political climate means any thing. I think once SOMEONE gets the momentum out in space, then expansion will happen, but this time there will not be any native peoples displaced. Could a country take complete control of Mars? I doubt it, perhaps some area the size of one of our states.

It either that or it will be corporations running everything.

I guess depending on your point of view which will be the lessor of evil?

But heck the next 50 years will be interesting times I think.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

But heck the next 50 years will be interesting times I think.

reminds me of a chinese curse, it does.