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Old January 28th, 2004, 09:49 PM
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I did it once and was able to extend my ability to hold my breath to somewhere around a full minute, perhaps even longer.
well, that explains something. i only took two or three breaths.
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The reason the damage isn't as extreme as in going from depth is that the pressure difference as said isn't that big. Go down 38 feet into water..congradulations, you've just doubled the pressure. Going from here to the surface is very similar to going from the surface to space.

It's not going to be a pleasurable experience, but Fyron is exaggerating.

"If you don't try to hold your breath, exposure to space for half a minute or so is unlikely to produce permanent injury."

This is confirmed with experimental animals.

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/as...rs/970603.html
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Old January 28th, 2004, 09:54 PM
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Some more literature to edify you...

http://space.about.com/cs/basics/a/bodyvacuum1.htm
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The human body is amazingly resilient. The worst problem would be lack of oxygen, not lack of pressure in the vacuum. If returned to a normal atmosphere fairly quickly, you would survive with few if any irreversible injuries.

There have actually been cases of parts of astronauts bodies being exposed to vacuum, when suits were damaged. The results were negligible.
And some more of the same:

http://www.urbanlegends.com/death/bo..._in_space.html
http://www.badastronomy.com/mad/1999/space_feel.html

Nothing I have found talks about anything seeping through your skin. Long term a body in a vacuum would be desicated, that's why food is often vacuum packed. But it doesn't happen that fast, certainly not as fast as you are going to asphyxiate anyway.
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in one of the short stories i read, people evacuated from one ship in space to another after expelling air from their lungs. no-one was in space more than 30 seconds. feasible?

side note: the book mentioned a technique where you breath heavily a few times then expell the air from your lungs. i tried this and was able to hold my breath for 20 seconds at the start and after some practice, 35 seconds. it really is easier, despite sounding counter-productive.
Basically this is feasible, as long as someone is there to pull in the unconcious people. The technique divers use doesn't really help in vacuum. A diver will expell all the air they can, but there will still be enough oxygen there to keep you concious. And as you surface the lower pressure causes the air in your lungs to expand, which satisfys your instinct to inhale. If you don't expell the air in your lungs it will still expand, but cause damage. That's why you can't hold your breath in vaccum too, cause the air will expand and damage your lungs. The difference is expelling your lungs in a vacuum leaves you without enough oxygen to keep you concious for more then a few seconds.

So 30 seconds wont kill you or cause any permenant damage. But it will incapacitate you. You'll need someone there to pull you in.
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Old January 28th, 2004, 10:43 PM
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I don't see how anyone could survive out in space without a full bodysuit.

Putting aside the effects (of lack of) on your lungs, the extreme cold of space would freeze any moisture on your body relatively quickly. Your skin, muscles, and internal organs would loose all body heat and the moisture would start to crystalize, and that's the kind of extensive/culmative damage that no Doctor on Earth right now can 100% correct/repair; otherwise cryogenics would be a much more valuable tool than it is right now.

I cringe at the effect exposure to space would do to your eyeballs !

Unless the human body can be genetically enhanced to survive in space for short durations, I think we'll always need 100% coverage to work/survive in space.
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you must have missed it, one of the Posts or links mentioned that heat isn't lost fast in space.

my breakdown of why that might be: heat is lost two ways: radiation and transfer. your body doesn't produce much radiation and in space there isn't much matter to transfer heat to.
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