more scary stuff

[Atrocities]

"sorry, because right wing politics in the US are identified with religious concervitism, it is our duty to cancel all funding for research involving stem cells, evolution, or other scientific progress. try again during another administration."

Puke I have to dissagree with this statement. I think the real issue is money, nothing more. Look for those who would have profitied most by having this research shut down. I feel that the pharacuitical (sp) companies are to blame not the religious fanatics or the Right wing folks.

Remember the real power in Washington is neither the Rebulicans nor the ultra dark side liberal democrats. It is money plane and simple.

[ February 11, 2004, 16:23: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

[Atrocities]

I have said this before and I will keep on saying it, freedom is an illusion that rich people can afford to enjoy while poor people foot the bill and bare the burdon.

We have no freedom, and as our population continues to grow, we will enjoy even fewer illusions of freedom as restrictions and taxes continue to mount would our representation in Washington continues to dwindle.

The USA is on the fast track to a toltarian society where people will be afraid to speak out for fear of reprisals. Where no one will question authority or the methods at which those in authority deal with people who question authority.

They will be demonfied in the news, made out to be horrible anti american monsters when in fact they are more american than those who fail to stand up and say "What are you doing?"

First they will take your rights from you, a little bit at a time. While they are doing this they will raise your taxes, keeping more of the money you make for themselves while keeping you down financially. They will feed you a constant line of utter BS through the news media trying to convince you that you need to give away even more of your rights. Right to free speach, right to bare arms, right to privicy, etc.

If you don't believe me just look back over the Last 12 years and you will see the pattern. Started with Clinton and will continue in one form or another until it is accomplished. Clinton raised taxes, dwindeled many of our rights away, and opened the flood gates that swampped out economy. Bush has dwindled away our right to privicy and freedom of movement.

What will the next demi god president do?

[ February 11, 2004, 16:33: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

[Loser]

Whoa there.

Take a few deep breaths there.

You're starting to sound more than a little paranoid.

[Atrocities]

Here is some information about what we can expect in the future as our rights dwindle, the cause will be clear.

LINK

I don't recall the mathmatican whos seminar talked about this, but he explains it very clearly then, this web page does a nice job of simplifying what he said. I know I posted about this before, I just don't recall the thread as it was nearly a year ago.

[geoschmo]

Atrocities, not sure if you realize it but you posted a link to the same page that Loser did a few Posts before.

[AMF]

I feel it's wise to stay away from the political aspects of this discussion, since I have strong political views.

But, I wanted to comment on the linked document: it seems a pretty standard Malthusian argument and is hence susceptible to the vulnerabilities that it was. Its been a long time, but IIRC Malthus was unable to account for the effect of technology. He predicted the same thing but talked about food (grows mathematically) v. population (grows geometrically). The two are, by their nature, out of sync so he predicted the human race would have chaos, mass wars and die offs, sometime around the 1900s I think.

See also the modern Versions re: growth of the world' food supply (Lester Brown) v. the Green Revolution boosters.

So...a healthy starting point would perhaps be to discuss the role of technology in overcoming the problems the "peak oil" guy warns about. Maybe he does in the article, I haven't read it all the way through...

I'm gonna get away from this topic now, lest I start talking politics.

thanks,

Alarik

Originally posted by Atrocities:
Here is some information about what we can expect in the future as our rights dwindle, the cause will be clear.

LINK

I don't recall the mathmatican whos seminar talked about this, but he explains it very clearly then, this web page does a nice job of simplifying what he said. I know I posted about this before, I just don't recall the thread as it was nearly a year ago.

[Shrapnel]

I found the "Peak Oil" article ... interesting.

I found the "New Energy" comments more interesting though. That is a field that has so much potential if the proper funding and attention could be given it.

Not enough money to make in it yet though