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Will · #1 February 13th, 2004, 01:57 AM

Excuse me, but I just read through this really fast. If I missed something, I'll come back after class and amend myself

The statement that volcanoes release more 'pollutants' than humans do is really a factual one. Some eruptions can release more sulfur dioxide (which causes sulfuric acid rain) in the span of a week then humanity has in a few to several years. Ditto for carbon mono- and di-oxide, methane, etc. It is a natural process, which has a natural recovery time faster than what most environmental Groups are willing to admit.

This doesn't mean, however, that humanity should be contributing more to it. I, like Fyron, live around LA right now. The Last time I had a breath of fresh air was just after it had stopped raining, and most of the smog was filtered out of the air... the stuff ain't healthy. There are lots of people shouting at both ends of the spectrum ("Save the Planet!", "Don't mess with our way of life!"), and usually when you have two diametrically opposed Groups like that, the 'right answer' is somewhere in between.

Eh, I'll finish later...

rextorres · #2 February 13th, 2004, 02:56 AM

Coincidently the EPA calls it a myth too.

http://www.epa.gov/spdpublc/science/volcano.html

Unfortunately too many people read Rush (a "political" pundit who has taken the lead on this issue and made the myth popular) and take his word at face value as if he were some authority.

BTW: If you were to read Fyron's "proofs" they suggest that Volcanic Eruptions ADD to the depletion NOT that they cause it.

Fyron · #3 February 13th, 2004, 04:29 AM

Leave it to Rex to distort a non-political conversation to politics. I could really care less what Rush Limbaugh says, and you have been a much greater source of knowledge about his viewpoints today than I have ever had in the past.

Volcanic eruptions and the amount of pollutants they spew out are no myth. Stating that humanity's actions are the sole cause of the hole in the ozone layer is a myth. As I stated before, they are a contributing factor, but not _the_ (as in, singular, most contributing) cause of it.

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BTW: If you were to read Fyron's "proofs" they suggest that Volcanic Eruptions ADD to the depletion NOT that they cause it.

What proofs? I provided no proofs. Supporting evidence maybe, but certainly not proofs. And that certainly is a biased reading of them.

[ February 13, 2004, 02:32: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

rextorres · #4 February 13th, 2004, 05:21 AM

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
we just did not cause the hole in the ozone layer over Antarctica. That was caused by massive volcanic eruptions.

That's the myth! That's what you wrote. You are wrong.

The Volcano Myth certainly is political because it has been used exstensively by political pundits - if not you - to discredit environmentalists and confuse the issues.

Anyway - as I said - I think the whole issue is moot because climate change will happen regardless of what we do.

[ February 13, 2004, 03:33: Message edited by: rextorres ]

narf poit chez BOOM · #5 February 13th, 2004, 05:38 AM

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The Volcano Myth certainly is political because it has been used exstensively by political pundits - if not you - to discredit environmentalists and confuse the issues.

bias.

Fyron · #6 February 13th, 2004, 06:14 AM

Yes and the myths about how devasting we are to the ozone have been overused by political pundits to discredit the other side. What is your point? I was not talking of anything political, merely of fact. Just because various facts have been distorted by one side or the other to push their political agenda does not mean the facts themselves have anything to do with politics. Nearly any fact you can think of has been abused by a politian at one point or another. That does not make it political. You are the one that brought politics into this. Leaving them out of discussions is always for the best.

rextorres · #7 February 13th, 2004, 06:32 AM

That volcanoes cause ozone depletion may not be a political issue but if one were to believe the opposite that it was caused soley or in part by humans then getting to a solution - to ozone depletion - would have to be political by the nature of the cause.

Unfortunately the volcano myth confuses the argument because all of a sudden the debate shifts in enough people's minds from how to fix the ozone to does the ozone need fixing.

Anyway ozone depletion by Volcanos is not a fact as you keep stating it's a theory.

[ February 13, 2004, 04:47: Message edited by: rextorres ]