Coincidence ??

[primitive]

Originally posted by General Woundwort:


BTW, Primitive, you're right, random violence won't stop this thing - but mere police work and crossed fingers won't either. The folks who perpetrate these atrocities - and the governments who sponsor them (Iraq being a case in point) - need to be "wacked". You can't bargain with or negotiate with an Islamofascist - your only option is to kill or defeat him.

General W,
You must be privy to information not shared by the the rest of the world. While Saddam was a murderer and all around bad guy there are absolutely no proof of he sponsoring any international "Islamofascist" terrorists. On the contrary, Saddam beeing a secular old fashioned dictator on a power trip, he himself was high on their target list .

The "whacking" of Iraq is probably the biggest boost ever to international terrorism, with the new destabilized Iraq providing plenty of recruits and ample training oportunities on live targets. And with more than enough funding available from among others our dear allied "friends" the Saudis, all the pieces for creating new hardcore Groups are available: Targets, Motivated Manpower pool (there are about 5 Million Iraqi who has been toppled from the top to the bottom of Iraqui society, many loosing friends and relatives in the process), Training and Money. Future for fighting terrorism looks bleak indeed thanks to GWB.

[oleg]

Originally posted by General Woundwort:

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Originally posted by oleg:
Greg, for all I know, there might be some muslim fanatics hiding in Rushholme, 1 mile from my home. Do you really want to bomb Manchester ?

Well, if you give us their address, we'll just bomb that particular house. We've gotten kinda good at that the Last couple of years...

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I find offensive your smirking about 10,000 to 13,000 murdered Iraqi civilians Last year.

[General Woundwort]

Originally posted by oleg:
I find offensive your smirking about 10,000 to 13,000 murdered Iraqi civilians Last year.

I did not mean to offend, but consider this...

How many civilians have died in the liberation of Iraq

VS

How many Hussein and his psycho sons killed (Iraqi, Iranian, and Kuwaiti) in the Last 20-odd years.

Do the math.

[oleg]

Originally posted by General Woundwort:


How many civilians have died in the liberation of Iraq

VS

How many Hussein and his psycho sons killed (Iraqi, Iranian, and Kuwaiti) in the Last 20-odd years.

Do the math.

When Sadamm gased Kurds and Iranians, he was a "good guy", friend of Cheyney who supplied him chemicals. When Sadamm murdered shias, US army stayed 10 miles from Basra and did nothing. Just please don't tell this nonsense how you guys love Arabs !

[oleg]

My original question is moot now. AQ released a tape claiming authorship and mentioned the timing as a deliberate 911 day anniversary

[General Woundwort]

Originally posted by oleg:
When Sadamm gased Kurds and Iranians, he was a "good guy", friend of Cheyney who supplied him chemicals.

I don't consider the French, Germans and Russians (Hussein's chemical suppliers) as Cheney's friends...

When Sadamm murdered shias, US army stayed 10 miles from Basra and did nothing. Just please don't tell this nonsense how you guys love Arabs !

There I do fault the original Bush administration. We should have taken out the SOB in Gulf War I when we had the chance.

Final rant, then I bow out - I get frustrated at times when I see how people react to the US's use of force. Compare what the US is doing in Iraq and what Russia is doing in Chechnya, and tell me with a straight face that there's no difference in how the two sides treat civilians in a combat zone. Wars are a necessary evil in this life - that sixties stuff about international "peace, love and understanding" is bull****. There will always be human beings who want to kill and conquer other human beings - and the ONLY way to stop some of them is to "whack" them. That's a cold, hard fact of life, friend, and if you don't want to face up to it, I suggest you start brushing up on your Arabic...

EDIT - I'm not mad at you personally, just frustrated at your apparent idealism...

[ March 14, 2004, 11:23: Message edited by: General Woundwort ]

[Renegade 13]

Originally posted by General Woundwort:
There will always be human beings who want to kill and conquer other human beings - and the ONLY way to stop some of them is to "whack" them. That's a cold, hard fact of life, friend, and if you don't want to face up to it, I suggest you start brushing up on your Arabic...

So kill or be killed huh? And how would that make us any better than the terrorists? We have no right to kill people simply because we suspect them of being terrorists. Of course I am not privy to all the information the gov't has, only what the news media shows, which we all know is biased one way or another. But lets face it: going in and killing some terrorists will not stop them. It simply enrages other people in those nations, and inspires more terrorism, not less.

But of course my viewpoint is simply that: mine. Terrorism is a problem with no real solution. No matter what you do about it, whether you act, or do not act, the repercussions are most often bad.

Sometimes I sure am glad I live in Canada, which isn't exactly a high target on the terrorist's list. (at least I hope its not)