AIC Mod in finite vs. infinite resource settings

[Yimboli]

yes, i loaded them manually... is that a bad idea? i wanted to control the number of players, so that is my only option. i didn't see anything in the readme about this so i didnt think twice about loading them manually. actually, when i said in the other post that the AI players had 1 planet, that was only true with a majority of them. i recall that one had 11 planets and a couple had 4 or 5. whats wrong with loading them manually?

-tim

[ May 15, 2004, 08:18: Message edited by: Yimboli ]

[oleg]

Originally posted by Yimboli:
yes, i loaded them manually... is that a bad idea? i wanted to control the number of players, so that is my only option. i didn't see anything in the readme about this so i didnt think twice about loading them manually. actually, when i said in the other post that the AI players had 1 planet, that was only true with a majority of them. i recall that one had 11 planets and a couple had 4 or 5. whats wrong with loading them manually?

-tim

Nothing wrong per se, but you should take cate to load empires generated for AI - with AI* option on. JLS included "human" empires files too, those with HP* trait. They will not work AT ALL under AI control !!! Just check carefully what are the race traits empires have. May be everythink is correct and I rised false alarm.

I usually do not load empires manually - nice to have more unknowns in the game ! To regulate how many players you want, edit settings.txt file. It has number of random empires generated for "low", "medium" and "high" numbers. You can not use the same number for min and max though but difference in 1 is OK. For example if you want 9 AIs, set numbers for "high" 9 and 10 and you will get 9 or 10 random AIs if chose "high" option.

[Yimboli]

you were right - i checked the empire traits and the AI had the *HP* option... probably not a good idea

thanks for that settings.txt bit, thats realy helpful!!

-Tim

[JLS]

Originally posted by Yimboli:
you were right - i checked the empire traits and the AI had the *HP* option... probably not a good idea

thanks for that settings.txt bit, thats realy helpful!!

-Tim

Many of us do play as Oleg recomends:
" nice to have more unknowns in the game ! To regulate how many players you want, edit settings.txt file. It has number of random empires generated for "low", "medium" and "high" numbers "~"

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However, for a manual selected AI Player game.

Within the AIC Extras Folder contains all the AI players Empire files and some Starliner images along with a few other extras and game play options

You will find all the AIC AI Players EMPIRE FILES in this folder to aid in your choise for AI players manually select for your game.
from: Se4/AICampaign/Extras/Empires AI-Only

You may COPY and PASTE any or all AI players to this directory:
to: Se4/AICampaign/Empires

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Yimboli thanks for the heads up.
For ease of operation. I will post an (auto placement AI Player ZIP file) for the above on the AIC web page
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also, in infinite resource games, what is the point of making a cities when a mineral extraction facility puts out so much more minerals?

As Grand Lord Vito posted, Cities are of immense value in a Finite game


In addition, as Oleg Posts in a non-Finite resource game start style. The cities become a very productive option on low yield resource value planets, where Planet values loss has occurred as a result of Combat turnover, Natural random Disasters even the over zealous Resource Miner.

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Production, Intel and Research contributions are but only a few mentioned, Urban Cities also possess other fine attributes... Large Cities can be of great benefit in all styles of play towards the End Game.

Cities will really rake in all types of Imperial Credits, when Cities are built on the potential gold mines located within the Binary or Trinary Systems picturesque and sandy beach vaction Resorts

[ May 16, 2004, 16:24: Message edited by: JLS ]

[JLS]

Originally posted by oleg:
How do you fare in non-conected games ? i find it quite difficult sometimes. AI is much more focused, no more fleets sitting around ally planet half-way accross galaxy. With only few systems available, AI can send waves after waves...

in Last game Iwas foolish enough to open WP to cryslonites at about the same time terrans come aftr me. Two wars were totally unsustainable.

Ouch!!! That had to hurt.


[ May 16, 2004, 13:07: Message edited by: JLS ]

[JLS]

Originally posted by Yimboli:

one question directed to QBrigid:

Posted by QBrigid
Your AIC home world alone gives you about 15000 minerals and with mineral extraction right from the start and you should be able to get another destroyer or more then several smaller combat missile ships for every 2 or three Mining Facilities as long as you develope your Planets then your economy will develope and then you can aford a large fleet.

Reply posted by Yimboli:
could you elaborate on that? 2 or three mining facilities will empty a planet in a few turns, hardly supporting maintenance for a 1000 min destroyer plus a few smaller combat ships. economy developing? I think that means building colonial settlements then towns then cities, etc. etc., is that what you mean?

thanks for all the info, I'm gonna give it another shot

-Tim

QB, if I may...

When playing a FINITE GAME {se4 quad start option} you are correct that a Planet will become void of its resource value in that Finite game eventually when any Resource Extraction Facility is constructed on that planet.

However, this will take much time in game turns to achieve in a Finite game if you construct your Resource Extraction Facilities on the appropriate Planets.

For example:

With an AIC Mineral Extraction Facility at a extraction rate of an unmodified := Mines 450 minerals each month. With the average Mineral Rich Planet hosting about 500 kilo tons and best of Planets and Asteroids also to include the Home World boasting as much as ONE MILLION TONS of any a one or more Planet Resource reserves. You can see that only (3) facilities with the extraction of 450 tons each = totaling 1350 tons of Minerals per month at that Planet can Last for 370 plus turns from a 500kt Planet and with any Mega ton reserve resource Planets or (FQM) Asteroids may extend its/your income to perhaps the entire game, if managed well. With Planet Engineering and Utilizations Technologies the techniques offered in these fields WILL make the endeavor probable for the entire game.
(Depending on your choices made, The Home World may be excluded and may become (partially) vacant with one or two of its resources produced in that Finite game )
With all its required methods of play, it can become very difficult to win when PLAYING FINITE.

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However, the defaulted game start. Players will play with Infinite Resource Reserves and there is only a few possibilities of loosing a Planets resource value and some are mentioned below.

With se4. Your journey will be dictated by your desired game style, that game start with all its continuing events. For the most part, you will be challenged both in Solitaire or Multi-Player on all aspects of game play

[ May 16, 2004, 21:04: Message edited by: JLS ]

[Yimboli]

i'm a bit lost where you said that some planets, other than your homeworld, can boast as much as 1 million tons of a resource. On all of the planets that are generated when I play, only 1e3 tons are available. The only planet with anything other than 1000 tons is the homeworld, which has 1e6 tons of everything.



-Tim