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[dogscoff]

must expand into something that is there. Such as empty space...

As I thought, your terminology is confusing everyone.

When most people hear the word "space" in this kind of context, they think of the Big Black in between the stars and planets. The point many of us are trying to make is that this "Big Black" is different to the "space" beyond the borders fo the universe.

You weretherefore causing a confusion between the "space" between the planets and the "space" beyond the universe's edge.

Unless you are actually asserting that the space between the planets is fundamentally the same as whatever is beyond the universe- ie, to fit Geo's metaphor, 'there is no box'. Otherwise, "emptiness" might be good word substitution for "space" in your Last few Posts..?

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There is no spoon. But I think I have a spork around here somewhere...

[ May 21, 2004, 08:21: Message edited by: dogscoff ]

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
The matter of the universe is indeed contained inside space. Space is infinite. The universe is not. The space was there before the big bang that lead to the universe as it is now... How do you think the universe is able to expand? It must expand into something that is there. Such as empty space...

Actually to get really bizarre, there is some theoretical work going on in that regard. It may turn out that this is not true at all. The universe might be expanding into itself, warping and folding, and so not actually changing it's total volume. It's all very confusing actually. I don't nearly understand it. I just like to read it sometimes and let the ideas wash over my brain. It's better then chemical stimulation I'll tell you.

[Gandalf Parker]

You mean the new Quantum Theories? Strings, membranes, all that? Interesting stuff. Still allows for a big bang but undoes the far future shrinkage back to a single point to do it again.

Also creates 11 dimensions, undoes the "matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed" rule or at least modifies it, and puts us at level 4 in an 11 level existance. Strange stuff but what I find interesting is that it deletes the scientific blocks on a ton of things that science had been comfortable in disproving. Opens them all up for new discussion. Just a short list includes magic, most supernatural, and god. (there are other Boards on the net for all that though)

[ May 21, 2004, 15:26: Message edited by: Gandalf Parker ]

[PvK]

If your universe is Atari 2600 Combat, the edge of the universe is likely a wrap-around effect to the other side...

Hard to really know the answer without going there, and if there is no edge... or even if there is but it's as far away as it looks... good luck ever getting there, even with your descendants.

If you find an impossibly coincidental at the massively extreme end of the number pi, then someone has been playing with the computers you're using to do the calculations... or some uber nerd like Carl Sagan created the universe you call real. They say humans create god in their own image...

PvK