Carribean mod

[Beck]

Mines - Did they use mines? Or anything that could be used as mines?

For the time period, they do not use anything close to resembling mines. I can not think of anything period they could represent off the top of my head.

Fighters - Row boats? Is it possible to allow fighters to use the boarding attack? These would be high KT fighters, obviously, with a very large ship being able to carry around 4, total.

Unfortunately they can not use the boarding attack. Fighters could however represent gunboats. These were what amounted to large rowboats with a single gun mounted in the bow. Used mostly on large lakes they really weren't launched from large ships, but for game purposes I wouldn't see a problem given the small number that could be launched this way. You could also have fireships launched in this fashion or as drones. Its looks like you're towards having period flavor and not necessarily historical accuracy and given the tools you have in SE4 for making such a mod it is probably the only way to go. It broadens the choices you have to offer and the strategic issues a player should face.

[JLS]

I also like this Idea for a MOD theme:

Redo the Planet pics to look like the Islands and the American Coasts along with the West African Coast (perhaps even western Europe ports) and the nearby strategic Islands to include Azores, Canarys, Verdi etc.
Warp Points to represent SEA LANES.

Stay true to form!!! and go for it

(Wooden Ships and Iron Men) and all that rah

Hmm, possible pics there and other games

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I always wanted to do a se4 Pacific War type MOD with a coast lines, Islands, Sea Lanes and much-much more. This could be made a spectacular se4 MOD - and all the tools are there

But no time and plenty of ideas.

[ July 06, 2004, 00:45: Message edited by: JLS ]

[Goatfoam]

Beck: Thanks, shame about the mines but the fighters are sounding good.

JLS: I wish I could show you the pictures I've already done for the planets, asteroids, whirlpools and all that jazz. They're absolutely pathetic.

Haha.

But yeah, incorporating other areas of the world could be an idea. Maybe even Asia. The Chinese apparently had some of the best naval technology available at the time, and as someone pointed out on #se4, those Chinese pirates from Swiss Family Robinson were very cool.

It will also make Ninja Pirates easier to get away with.

[JLS]

You do the DATA and then I will get the Island, Coastal and Sea Lanes QUAD PICs done for you - OK

From that point you/we will tie it together, if you wish.

[ July 06, 2004, 03:09: Message edited by: JLS ]

[Goatfoam]

Sure JLS, sounds good. I'll get started on those in the morning then.

I was also kicking around the idea of remote mining... It might be a good way to represent piracy, other than Intel projects.

I was thinking maybe there would be a few systems that would basically be "open ocean" that didn't contain fog banks or whirlpools (nebulae and blackholes, respectively), but acted a lot like Asteroid systems.

Anyway, there would be spots on these open stretches of ocean that would represent trade routes. You'd place your ship with a special component on there, and it would generate resources for you each turn. Yes, just like remote mining. But it might be an idea to place a stronger emphasis on it, which each race being specialised in different remote-mining types.

So, for instance, Colonials would be average at collecting wood and food, but better than most in collecting weapons (supply from the mainland).

To be honest, I see established islands as being VERY hard to "glass", and with the vast amount of troop types I intend to include, fairly balanced when attempting to capture an island. These "trade routes" will give players (especially pirates) a target to harass. There would probably need to be some sort of bonus effect for destroying ships with these trade components, which I'll look into tomorrow too.

[JLS]

Best to start small and then add as you go

Think smaller Modules:
1~ Vehicles (Surf Boats-Boarding Barge-Cutter-Brig-Yawl-Sloop - Man of War = one Decker-Two Decker etc. There may be no need to find a need for se4 bases at this time and save for a latter module -You have all the time in the world

~Troops= Lobers, Swabs, Sailors, Marines, Regulars, Pirates (Field Cannons) Etc. - There also may be no need to find a need for Fighters, SATs or Mines at this stage; However Weapon Platforms will make fine on Shore Batteries
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2~ Components= Sail inventory and that Ships rigging Configurations versus Salt Water Hull Displacement may define your Ships Speed. Jib-Staysals-Foresals-Mainsal-Mizzens-Gallants-Topsals and my fav the Spanker
(perhaps, a short combat speed to avoid a weird simulation rush?) Fyron may be best to advise here.
Also to figure a way to represent the "weather gauge" for Combat Advantages.

~Armor for the Hull
~Shields for the boarding and Splinter Nettings

~Weapons= How much weight in metal do you want your Cannons to throw: 4 pounders -8 Pounders-16 Pounders etc. (how many guns per Broad Side and then in total) There is:

Long range Round Shot (accurate and powerful) However, knocks out guns and rarely fatal. Unless the timing is such that the Firing Broadside is on the Down Swell and the shoot is to the windward (to your lee or the target is {just} on the peak of an up swell and few cable lengths away)- so it makes fast below the waterline. (Possibly Weapons Damage as an ability)

Short Range Chain Shot (engine damage) to take out Sails. (not against Planets)

Shorter range Grape Shot (Shield Damaging) and against the Boarding and Splinter Nettings (not against Planets)

Carronades that are inaccurate but will LOB up and then down thru the unarmored Decks and then hole the keel (skip Armor) and great for shore bombardments (extra against Planets) eek:

Smaller Bow and Stern Chasers (not against Planets) And could be very weak and Extra long range - just for the effect.

The very small swiveled Qtr Deck scatter guns - mainly for any unhappy crew or boarding defense and sometimes both at the same time. (Perhaps Boarding Defense and not against Planets)

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3~Facilities: Boat and crews need Drinking WATER, Spars, Sail Cloth, Food, Grog, Line, Blocks etc.

Government House-Trading House-Barracks-Civil Quarters-Fleet Head Quarters-Ship Yards-Hospitals-Impressments Camp-Labor Camps-Harbor Patrols-Harbor Trade-Harbor Work Details Etc.
I like your Resource idea - "Metal, Food and Wood"
Distilleries, Farms, Lumber Works, Mining Camps, Sugar Cane, Spices, Cattle, Textiles...... (Facilities this can be endless
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Research, Intel and Event files can come Last once you have your Core (for the Research, Intel and Event ideas - that will fall into place).
Then the overall balance
Adding the AI (Ship Capture should be a challenge)
Followed by the great shuffle with most of your data
Not to mention the Endless Testings

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Research the time Period,
Stay with the time Period...
Start with small Modules and add as you go, keeps it easy and focused.
Above all - Keep the desire.
Then just make it all happen

Now - on deck you scabrous dog, hands to the braces and look lively!!!
Bring us that horizon - then Drink up me hardies, Yoe Hoe



[ July 06, 2004, 08:14: Message edited by: JLS ]

[Fyron]

The Chinese apparently had some of the best naval technology available at the time,

Actually, it was by far the very best, but it was a century or two earlier than this time frame. But, due to an increasingly inward-looking court (China was quite possibly the most powerful empire in history at that time), they allowed their huge navy of massive ships (which dwarfed anything made by Europeans for centuries to come) to essentially rot away. They voluntarily gave up their chance to remain the dominant naval power in the Indian Ocean and Pacific Ocean regions. By the 15th century, China had almost no navy to speak of.

[ July 06, 2004, 07:02: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[Strategia_In_Ultima]

Beck said:
Mines - Did they use mines? Or anything that could be used as mines?

For the time period, they do not use anything close to resembling mines. I can not think of anything period they could represent off the top of my head.

Don't know if this has been said before as I haven't read all of the posts here, but you COULD create Mines as being barrels of gunpowder. You could say that there were rowing boats among the "mines" with crewmen armed with crossbows with flame arrows, shooting those in the barrels to detonate them. OK, it's not historically accurate, but they COULD have done it with the technology at the time

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[Kana]

Well I might still have the txt file I sent you around somewhere...Plus there is a bunch of info still in the thread...and I have a few pics I've aquired of stuff like cannons and such...If you want them...tell me where to send them...Oh and if you haven't played Sid Meiers new released Pirates! you should check it out for some ideas and such...

Kana

[Kana]

*BUMP*

I guess Goatfoam hasn't been working on this or anything...Or maybe I still need to compile my info and send it to him...

Kana