Carribean mod

[Goatfoam]

Fyron:

That may be the way to go. I'm of the mind that most components would need to be repaired in a port anyway, given the period. As for the crew, I'll see what I can do with it. Some way to "tow" a vehicle would be nice, so you could lug ships with zero movement back to port, but that looks impossible too. It may be a case of allowing the sole repair of the mainsail in order to achieve some movement per turn, though when you add the wind factor of systems into this, it could get really quite frustrating.

Another point with the wind thing - it would literally blow ships out of port every turn, wouldn't it? Is there any way to avoid this? The idea may need to be scrapped, if that's the case.

Finally, cannons! I was thinking of using mounts for the different poundage of the guns. Do you guys think that would be the best way to handle it, or would it be better to have each poundage of cannon as a different weapon, and then the type of shot as the mount (as in, chainshot, grapeshot, etc)? I can't quite decide which I prefer.

Almost done with the first draft.

[JLS]

Finally, cannons! I was thinking of using mounts for the different poundage of the guns. Do you guys think that would be the best way to handle it, or would it be better to have each poundage of cannon as a different weapon, and then the type of shot as the mount (as in, chainshot, grapeshot, etc)? I can't quite decide which I prefer.

Depends are you going to have Shields to represent Boarding Nets?
If no Shield at all, then you do not need Shield Damaging GRAPE SHOT - I guess.

How about Skip Armor?
How about Weapon Damage or Increase Reload Time(perhaps round)
Or Engine damage to represent CHAIN SHOT against the Sails, Spars and Rigging.

How would mounts handle abilities- if you commit most Weapons to (one) and then to mounts?
DEATH STALKER MAY BEST TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION

I Assumed along these lines: With Kana's numbers though.
Name := Round Shot 4#
Name := Round Shot 6#
Name := Round Shot 9#


Name := Round Shot 16# (Large Mount)
"~"

Name := Round Shot 24# (Heavy Mount)
"~"

Name := Round Shot 32# (Massive Mount)
"~"

In general - the same with the rest of the Weapons inventory (less on some more on a Carronaid.

[ July 08, 2004, 03:57: Message edited by: JLS ]

[Fyron]

How would mounts handle abilities if you commit most to (one) and then to mounts?

The only ability that can be affected by a mount is shield point generation (normal and phased). Every other ability is totally unaffected by using a mount on the component.

Another point with the wind thing - it would literally blow ships out of port every turn, wouldn't it? Is there any way to avoid this?

Nope, no way to avoid it.

[ July 08, 2004, 03:55: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[JLS]

would it be better to have each poundage of cannon as a different weapon, and then the type of shot as the mount (as in, chainshot, grapeshot, etc)?

My point is Fyron, if for example GRAPE SHOT and Shield Damage (was his intent) and (now) also named as a mount.

How could he have the Ability of the original (ROUND poundage Shot) after the enhanced Mount to GRAPE Shot.

ROUND Shot 9# (core weapon to be enhanced) and if that weapons original intent was (Weapons damage)

If you think that was complicated: (Now what about the (CHAIN Shoot) and he may have wanted (Engine Damage) for that weapon - NOW named as a mount that enhances the Above.

I do not think you are saying that he may have Both Abilities on one Gun (deriving from just the Mounts alone) are you? - when each ability may have been intended for only each individual gun.
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As I said, unless he now Combines the abilities into his stated one Core Gun "(Round poundage Cannon)" - or he drops many of the se4 abilities



[ July 08, 2004, 05:00: Message edited by: JLS ]

[Goatfoam]

It's a real shame about the wind. There's always the open sea systems, though.

Boarding Nets for shields - brilliant. I was really stuck thinking of a representative for shields, but now I have it. Thanks a lot.

It looks like it might indeed be easier to have the round types as the components, and the weight (in pounds) as the mounts. For now at least. So I'll get cracking on that tomorrow - as you said JLS, best to start simple. Good advice.

[Fyron]

Ah, Damage Types, not Abilities... Damage Types can neither be added by nor affected by mounts in any way.

[Kana]

OH I forgot suggested loading times for the guns...

Gun RateOfFire in Seconds Max Range(Yards)
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1 lb swivelgun 20 1500
2 lb swivelgun 20 1700
3 lb Cannon 20 1800
6 lb Cannon 20 1900
9 lb Cannon 20 2000
12 lb Cannon 20 2000
16 lb Cannon 45 2100
24 lb Cannon 45 2400
32 lb Cannon 45 2500
42 lb Cannon 60 2600
68 lb Cannon 90 2300
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Times and ranges are subjective of course...given just to give you some idea how they compare...I think there should be more of a variation. And the times are with a full gun crew, but they seem alittle low. As for Damage Comparison I would tie that into Shot size, the bigger the pounder...well you know... Also don't forget they will lose velocity at range and not do as much damage...so it should be a sliding scale based on range. Kinda like an APB.

Also here are some early period weapons:

Weapon MaxRng ROF Mass Volume Crew
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Scorpion 450 20 250 12 2
Ballista
w/bolt 500 30 1500 150 3
w/stone 300 30 1500 150 3
Onager
w/stone 400 60 2500 250 3
w/greek-fire 400 60 2500 250 3
Greek Fire Projector 25 2 1500 60 1
16lb Bombard 2000 45 4000 100 12
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Scorpion/Ballista: Light double-armed catapults like giant crossbows. The Scorpion is a small dart thrower, while the Ballista is a larger Version that can also throw stones.

Onager: A Heavy single-armed catapult designed for indirect fire. It could throw a 30lb. stone 400 yars, or hurl a jug of Greek fire.

Greek Fire Projector: Essentially a Byzantine era flamethrower. Squirting a buring jellied fuel at its target.

Bombard: Early (Middle Ages) cannon.


Would you also like Weights/Volume on Ammunition?
Would you like Costs for all of the above...?

Of course all is subjective...for use in comparison. How this translates to SE4...is...well...?????

Next a small list of Improved Smoothebore and Rifled Muzzle Loading cannons...

[ July 10, 2004, 16:14: Message edited by: Kana ]