OT POLL: Do Nice Guys Finish Last??

David E. Gervais · #1 July 12th, 2004, 12:08 PM

Q1: What women want.. Men that are good on the outside and bad on the inside. So if you're nice on both sides you loose.

Q2: Nice at work.. The nice guys at work will be mashed like ripe potatos, taken advantage of and never climb the corporate ladder. You need greed to succeed in business and without it (Being Nice) you're destined to fail. (or stay at your current level forever)

Q3: Everywhere else.. There was a time when being 'nice' was normal, now it's such a rare phenomenon that it's newsworthy. Society is not 'nice' and 'nice' is slowly being removed from life as we know it. If everyone was 'nice' you could leave your car unlocked and still find it where you left it. (providing it didn't get towed')

With that said, I'm 'nice' and proud of it. What a strange poll.

Cheers!

Gryphin · #2 July 13th, 2004, 01:23 AM

I realize your post was partly tongue in cheek cynicism and we are talking �in general�.

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Posted by David E. Gervais:
Q2: Nice at work.. The nice guys at work will be mashed like ripe potatos, taken advantage of and never climb the corporate ladder. You need greed to succeed in business and without it (Being Nice) you're destined to fail. (or stay at your current level forever)

This is more a matter of definition . If you don�t want to climb the corporate ladder then you can easily be the nicest guy around and be very successful, (like I am). The important part to my success is getting into a line of work you love and keep your lifestyle fairly simple. That will generate the highest level of �Finishing First� at the end of the day.

[ July 12, 2004, 12:25: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

General Woundwort · #3 July 13th, 2004, 01:38 AM

Interesting that the level of cynicism is (so far, with 9 votes) much deeper re: the opposite sex, than for work and life in general. I shall have to run these results by some trusted sources in the "enemy" camp and see what they think...

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Gryphin · #4 July 13th, 2004, 01:57 AM

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Originally posted by General Woundwort:
Interesting that the level of cynicism is (so far, with 9 votes) much deeper re: the opposite sex, than for work and life in general. I shall have to run these results by some trusted sources in the "enemy" camp and see what they think...

I personly feel women are excited by "bad boys", but truly want "good boys" for a long term relationship. You might see younger women go for the exciting types but most of them have a realist expectations and no intention of statying with them.

If you watch "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" Spike turns her on big time but she loves Angel. Yes this is a TV example but I have seen it in real life. Women "talk" about the bad boys like they wish they could "have" them but when pushed they admit they want a "nice guy" they can trust.

Slynky · #5 July 12th, 2004, 03:28 PM

I'm with Gryphin on this one.

When I was growing up, I saw lots of girls I found attractive and interesting who seemed only to have eyes for guys that treated them like dirt (or substitute another 4-letter word). I never understood it especially when they could have been with ME

.

My wife was married 3 times before me. Two were "bad boys" and the 3rd a bible-thumper (she just knew someone she met at church would be the right guy

). No marriage Lasted more than 4 years and, averaging, they Lasted about 2 and a half. We've been together for 8 years. Though 15 years younger, she is now mature enough to realize being treated nicely leads to much more happiness than what she settled for in the past. Oh, don't get me wrong, we still dabble in some "bad" excitement

but I don't treat her like dirt.

Slynky · #6 July 12th, 2004, 03:36 PM

Another comment:

I'm not rich (though, I suspect, some people struggling to make a living might disagree after seeing our house and lifestyle). I'd say I'm well off. So, as to the question about nice guys finishing Last in the workplace (where the money is made), I'll say there are those who are much more ambitious than I am and who are willing to step on people to climb that "ladder". But I like to sleep well at night. And more money in exchange for that sleep just isn't worth it to me.

AMF · #7 July 12th, 2004, 03:48 PM

Well, I think it is safe to say that nice guys generally finish Last in SEIV and politics in general. I am almost exclusively a cooperative/non-zero-sum type of player, building alliances, gifting tech freely, helping others out in SEIV...and I don't think I've won a PBW game yet...my fault, of course. I also suck at ship design and micro-managing, which doesn't help.