OMG: The Revenge of the Sith

dogscoff · #1 July 26th, 2004, 03:05 PM

Darth maul was cool, and all his fight scenes. Everything else sucked, imho. The pod race was blatantly inserted solely for marketting (IE Games industry) purposes, and Jar Jar Binks is a case for justifiable xenocide- that bit in the final battle where he turns perhaps the most eagerly anticiapted and expensive battle in cinema history (until Helm's Deep, anyway) into a poor Keystone Kops parody... *shudder* *sob*

They relied too heavily on the CGI and threw plot and suspension of disbelief out the window.

There might have been a few good lightsaber bits in AotC, can't really remember. All I really remember were the gaping plot holes and some crap about the force being controlled by general midi or something. that might have been the first one, I'm just not sure. It's taken several months of therapy and hypnosis to get even this much information past the mental blocks my traumatised mind threw around those films. Even Yoda's fight was blatantly ripped off from the classic Kermit vs Long John swashbuckle in "Muppet Treasure Island" (Don't believe me? Rent the film, then watch the two fight scenes back to back.)

So no, I'm not holding out much hope for the third film. Thanks Anhur for Peter Jackson, that's all I say.

/me heads down to blockbuster to rent Muppet Treasure Island, not to compare it to AotC, but just because it's a good film.

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geoschmo · #2 July 26th, 2004, 03:48 PM

The whole force=midichlorian thing was a really bad move on GL's part. The other complaints are valid, but mainly cosmetic and subjective. But the midi thing totally changed the fundamental message behind the story.

The original it was all about how through determination and faith anyone could triumph over evil. Luke was just a poor dirt farmer from the backwoods, but because he believed in something and his friends believed in him they were able to beat the bad guys. It could have been anyone. It's an old story, but a good one.

But now we find out it couldn't have been anyone. It had to be Luke, and before them Anakin, because he had the right kind of blood. It's very subtle, but also very racist.

The problem didn't really start with EP1 though. Really from the point where we find out Luke and Leia are Vaders kids the whole thing went down the tubes as far as storyline goes. After that the effects were neat and all, but that was the about it. The story was shot.

geoschmo · #3 July 26th, 2004, 04:04 PM

A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...

Follow our intrepid band of outcast and misfit heroes as they struggle to get through Jedi Academy. See Lewis, Gilbert, Poindexter, and Booger back again in

Revenge of the Sith Nerds!!!

dmm · #4 July 26th, 2004, 08:17 PM

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Originally posted by geoschmo:
... the midi thing totally changed the fundamental message behind the story.

The original it was all about how through determination and faith anyone could triumph over evil. Luke was just a poor dirt farmer from the backwoods, but because he believed in something and his friends believed in him they were able to beat the bad guys. It could have been anyone. It's an old story, but a good one.

But now we find out it couldn't have been anyone. It had to be Luke, and before them Anakin, because he had the right kind of blood. It's very subtle, but also very racist.

Are you telling me you believed Luke was "just anyone?" How about Obi Wan just happening to live right near Luke, and just happening to have Luke's father's light saber, and just happening to have been his father's mentor, and Luke just happens to be able to use the Force with only a few lessons, and Luke just happens to be the only one able to hear Obi Wan in his head? And Obi Wan says stuff about the Force running strong in his family?

Not to mention how Vader is the only bad guy who uses the Force, even though it is obviously a great advantage.

It is SOOOOO obvious from the get-go that only certain people can consciously use the Force, and that the ability often runs in families.

I can see how you'd call it elitist, but not racist.

I didn't like the midichlorian idea because
1) it put a scientific spin on something that was supposed to be mystical, unexplainable by science;
2) it was a blatant ripoff from the "A Wrinkle in Time" trilogy by Madeleine L'Engle;
3) it had them "sending" a blood sample for analysis from a teensy transmitter to the ship (technology ex nihilo);
4) it had the impersonal Force acting on its own, as a person, when it purposefully created Anakin; and, Last but not least,
5) it was a blatant ripoff of the Christian doctrine of the Virgin Birth of God Incarnate, which GL may consider to be mythology but 1/4 to 1/3 of the world population does not.

Even with all that, I am still looking forward to the Last SW movie. Episodes 1 and 2 definitely had flaws, but I enjoyed them anyway. I think the challenge for GL is to make E3 enjoyable, while at the same time to adequately explain Anakin's fall to the Dark Side. Seeing a good guy become evil is not much fun; how can GL balance that?

Master Belisarius · #5 July 27th, 2004, 01:23 AM

Sorry, but expecting a bad movie like the other two of this new trilogy, then think the word "****" would fit better than "Sith".
IMHO, The Phantom Menace was a bad movie. But I consider the Attack of the Clones the worst ratio in the history, between money spent / FX / film quality.
Honestly, think have not evidence to believe this one would be better than the other two.

Raging Deadstar · #6 July 27th, 2004, 01:32 AM

When Phantom Menace came out i was in early teens if not before then. Star Wars was still one of my favourite films at that point, i loved them. I can honestly say that Episode I never captured me in the same way, this is from a childs perspective, it was a good film, just lacked something.

Although looking back I would rather be placed in a cell with Jar Jar that watch the awful tripe that was Aotc. It was horrible, ghastly, an abomination to the star wars name. The film was so slow and felt so miss matched. There was exceptional promise with very clever parts in there, We could debate this over and over again, it was a Horrible Movie, the Worst Sci-Fi Movie i have ever seen!

That said i will go see Episode III just so it lines George lucas Pockets to the extent that he can retire from butchering the memory of the star wars trilogy anymore.

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Kamog · #7 July 27th, 2004, 01:47 AM

Well, I don't like Jar Jar Binks and nobody I have talked to liked Jar Jar either . It was a good thing that he wasn't in it very much for the second movie. I thought the second movie was a lot better than the first.

The worst Sci-Fi movie I have ever seen has got to be Star Trek V: Final Frontier.

Edit: typo

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