Balck Holes too soft

[Suicide Junkie]

Hahahahaha!

Thats a perfect example of an OJ defence

Flood them with BS till they go away!
(much of that is true, but has no bearing on the discussion)

You appear to have said that you now agree that the moon would not fall in if the earth was squeezed into a black hole (which would have an EH roughly the size of a marble, FYI)
I hope then that you would realize that anything in orbit will stay in orbit nearly forever.
Therefore ships that sensibly go into orbit around normal stars, should (with a sane captain) go into orbit around the black hole, and hence not get sucked in

Note that for our purposes, hawking radiation is minimal, since we are talking about a solar mass or higher.

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I never said the moon would fall. You can not compare the moon to man made sat.
Yet we all may be wrong to some degree or may have miss-understood some of his statments.

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The moon is easily compared to a man-mad sattelite. They both orbit the earth. The only difference is that the sat is smaller, and gets bumped around by gasses & solar wind. they still follow the same rules, and crushing the earth into a black hole would not suck any orbiting body in.

If the "him" you are referring to is S. Hawking, nothing about orbiting a black hole has anything to do with him. It is simple orbital mechanics.

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[Dracus]

Do you or do you not want the files that change the way black holes work in the game?
If not then I will remove them.

[Nitram Draw]

A little OT but did't someone make a mod or give instructions to prevent BH from being generated in the game. I don't like them. Anyone know what the mod was called or have easy instructions on how to do it?

[Steve A]

nice quotes <grin>

There is a game explanation for the 2 moves per turn towards the center in a black hole system. The wormholes in a normal system tend to be many AU from the central stars (i.e. at the edge of the screen) and the scale of the solar system display is many AU across.
To make things work assume that wormholes are attracted to gravity gradients, so they are much closer to black holes than normal, equally massive stars. The screen scale of a black hole system would then be much less, say .1 AU across. Since you are much closer to the central mass than you would normally be, the gravitational pull would be greater. Also assume that the "space drive" engines don't have the same top velocity near a singularity, so the ships still only move 1 square per "move".
While not a pretty solution, it can explain the extra motion towards the center. The center square represents the space immediately around the event horizon which causes damage through gravitational shear and/or intense radiation from the accretion disk.

Steve

[Master Belisarius]

Nitram: I hate the Black Holes, because they are a great problem for the AI players, then, I have removed them from my games.

To do it, you only need to go into the file QuadrantTypes.txt (under the Data folder), and search the words 'Black Hole'. Then every time that you find the word (will be several times, because is for every type of quadrant), replace the Chance for 0.
If you have the Modpack installed, you need to do it into the folder Data, but under the Modpack folder.

[Suicide Junkie]

Personally, I don't need them. I've got stuff modded, so I can't use them as is.
Adjusting the black hole's ability is not exactly a full day's work, either

I'm sure that there are many who would be interested though.

My objections so far:

1) Oggy ben Doggy's statement (post #2) is only correct if the ships are not orbiting, and since they orbit normal stars (ie. don't fall in) then the captain should just be orbiting the hole.

2) Dracus (a second-hand quote, since the original post was blanked out)

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If you don't have a planet (IE earth crushed) then the sats would be pulled in, because then there would be no orbit. orbits are based on speed ver grav. That is why we have to push our sats back up, because in time, grav overpowers them. All the planets are slowly being pulled toward the sun. It will take billions of years but in time the earth will crash into our sun. Take a science math course or read a steven [Hawking] book. It is all explained there.

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Which is full of errors. You claimed that the satellites would fall in, yet you also say that the moon would not.
- Both are in orbit, both would stay in orbit
- also, the planets are not falling into the sun. In fact, the Moon is drifting away from the earth because of tidal forces.
eg: the moon pulls a bulge of water towards it (that's the tides) but the spinning earth pushes the bulge ahead of the moon. The gravitational tug from the bulge pulls the moon ahead a little bit faster, and the moon slowly accelerates, expanding its orbit, while the rotation of the earth slows (due to friction with the bulge).
The exact same thing happens with the Sun & Mercury.

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Steve A: If wou make the black hole system 0.1 AU across, then the accretion disk would be huge, rather than just 1 square of damage.
Also, it dosen't explain why the ship captain fails to go into orbit like he does for stars.

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[Dracus]

more info on black holes
Known Black Holes Number 30
Galaxies with a big bulge of stars in the middle are much more likely to spawn a massive black
hole, while comparatively flat-bellied galaxies like our Milky Way harbor black holes with only a
few million solar masses, the scientists said in statements.
Scientists at the University of Texas, the University of California at Santa Cruz and the
University of Michigan were able to reach these conclusions because of the recent discovery of
10 super massive black holes in galaxy centers, raising the total number of known black holes to
30, a large enough group for study.
To measure the masses of black holes — huge matter-sucking drains that gobble up
everything that gets within their pull, even light — astronomers used the average speed of stars
near the black hole.
The closer the stars get to the black hole, the faster they move. The galaxies with small to
average star speeds have small black holes, while those with very high speeds contain
extremely large black holes, the astronomers found.
Copyright 2000 Reuters.



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