What is this piece of CRAP.....!

[NutButter]

[What gave you the idea that this was supposed to be a 4X game? Some elements (the 3D engine in particular) may make into the next Version of Space Empires, but this isn't Space Empires (despite what the name says, just like Descent: Freespace was most certainly not Descent; it's all in the branding ). It's an entirely different game and if you look at it with expectations based on a different kind of game then you're the only one who's at fault if you're disappointed.]

No, Starfury clearly didn't look like a 4x game. That's why I tried the demo instead of buying it. But I do like Starfury's genre of gameplay. So why is it MY fault that the game was poorly developed?

Your expectations are obviously more satisfied sooner than mine. It seems a bit idealistic to allow Starfury to stand on its own and forget why you like the other games you play. However, lock me in a box with Starfury alone, I'm sure I would learn to like it. But I don't have all day to wait for modders or patches or the next generation to make it right.

You obviously understand that the game needs "refining", and I agree. I'll take your advice and move on to games that succeeded.

[DeadZone]

You do rise valid points there

But, most of the ppl that are satisfied with this game are the type of ppl that prefer the ability to mass mod (like myself) or like the prospects of loads of other mods wheather they be fantasy or based on their favourite TV show/movie (ie. Star Trek and Babylon 5) as game makers cannot put in such things without a proper license (which costs) due to copyright laws

Alot of other games I see that I like dont have the modability of SE & SF and anything you can mod takes alot longer and alot more effort and usually requires a team of modders rather than a single modder (Which is why my first mod attempt for SE:IV failed, cos the style of modding was new to me as I was used to being apart of a team)

[NutButter]

I think you nailed it DeadZone. Starfury, like SE4, is a playground for modders. From that standpoint, it deserves alot more respect from those who design and use the mods. To you, it probably appears to be more of a new construction set, and you appreciate the ability to alter its form with new ideas. To me, I appreciate the package as a whole, and don't have the skill or patience to deal with the mechanics to make it work.

To each his own, indeed! Hope I didn't show any disrespect to anyone!

[Mehrunes]

Originally posted by NutButter:
Your expectations are obviously more satisfied sooner than mine. It seems a bit idealistic to allow Starfury to stand on its own and forget why you like the other games you play.

That's funny, I find it overly idealistic to base your opinion of a game based on expectations derived from other games you have played. My opinions are clearly that of a realist, I have very few expectations and base my opinions primarily on my level of enjoyment while playing the game itself.

In any case, you contradict yourself far too much for me to believe you. You say you enjoy Starfury's genre and realise it's not a 4X game, yet in your initial post you call it a "nothing but a less action-packed, downgraded Version of SE4" and "...mutated half-attempt at graphic appeal". Sorry, I don't buy it for a second.

Starfury isn't the game for you, but that doesn't mean it's not the game for anyone.

[NutButter]

It's cool, Mehrunes.

I didn't want to get into a philisophical debate on the merits of idealism or penmanship relative to quality gaming, but it is becoming such. The game simply doesn't work for me, and I'll deal with it. And if you think I was trying to convince you to change your mind, that really wasn't my intention at all.

I came to this Board to see what others were saying after playing the demo. If my negative comments help others decide, so be it - but everyone knows it is their decision to choose.

[Mephisto]

NutButter, you are always welcome to voice your opinion and IMHO you did in a reasonable manner. Just like you said, to each its own.

[Renegade 13]

The voicing of opinions is part of the purpose of forums such as these. Opinions, either favorable to the game or otherwise, are valuable. They help those who are undecided to make up their minds and perhaps avoid making an unwise purchase. Everyone should feel free, and be encouraged, to voice their opinions.