What did I missed from Dom I.? -> DIPLOMACY!

Pocus · #1 October 16th, 2003, 02:16 PM

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Originally posted by Mortifer:
I dunno about the alliance in KoH. As you can see, there are non-agression, passage agreement, trade options already, and the relationship bar.
This looks awesome so far.

The release date of KoH is 2004 Q2 btw.

Nice layout but not that new :
Europa Universalis has already all these options and more (alliance, annexations, vassalisation, trade embargo, etc.).

Mortifer · #2 October 16th, 2003, 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by Pocus:

quote:
Originally posted by Mortifer:
I dunno about the alliance in KoH. As you can see, there are non-agression, passage agreement, trade options already, and the relationship bar.
This looks awesome so far.

The release date of KoH is 2004 Q2 btw.

Nice layout but not that new :
Europa Universalis has already all these options and more (alliance, annexations, vassalisation, trade embargo, etc.).

Oh yeah, that game is decent in diplomacy.
I think this KoH system would be perfect for Doms II. that is why I posted this screenie about the KoH diplo system.

Vodalian · #3 October 16th, 2003, 02:22 PM

Civilization 3 had the exact same system and I have to say it didn't work too well. I can just guess how non-functional it would be in a game like dominions where the only victory condition is world domination.

Mortifer · #4 October 16th, 2003, 02:24 PM

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Originally posted by Vodalian:
Civilization 3 had the exact same system and I have to say it didn't work too well. I can just guess how non-functional it would be in a game like dominions where the only victory condition is world domination.

You are very wrong. The civ3 diplo system is decent, the diplo AI is crap.
It is a huge difference.

[ October 16, 2003, 13:24: Message edited by: Mortifer ]

Aristoteles · #5 October 16th, 2003, 03:41 PM

IMHO the civ3 diplomatic system is really good, I like it. It is not 'that easy' to abuse the AI, especially not after the latest patches.
In fact, sometimes my butt is kicked by the AI, if some of them gang up against me.

licker · #6 October 16th, 2003, 04:32 PM

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Originally posted by Vodalian:
Civilization 3 had the exact same system and I have to say it didn't work too well. I can just guess how non-functional it would be in a game like dominions where the only victory condition is world domination.

ACtually Dom2 has more victroy settings than just world domination, though if I remember correctly, they all involve some kind of dominatin (no win by UN for example).

The Diplo system in Civ3 worked well enough, sure it had some flaws with how the AI handled things, but for what it allowed you to do, it was really very good. In fact if you cared about your standing with the other nations, your actions and transactions with them were very important.

As to the SP vs. MP arguement...

Whether or not the majority of players will ever play MP or not is pretty much irrelivant, the majority of actual playing time will be SP, and that's true for probably everyone, whatever they answered in the poll. That said some improvements are beneficial to both sides, but there can also be a misleading amount of verbiage on forums such as this from the MP crowd (who are more likely to post on forums in the first place) that creates the impression to the Devs that MP is more important than SP.

We all know that the Illwinter team is more interested in MP, they've said as much, however, I consider it a disservice to the game as a whole for that to be the only form of game play that gets attention. Now I don't actually think that Illwinter is giving the SP crowd short shrift, but I do think that improvements to SP typically wind up as improvements to MP while the contrary is not nearly as true.

st.patrik · #7 October 16th, 2003, 04:46 PM

I also agree that Illwinter should make a robust SP game, whatever they do in MP. But the thing that gets me is that some of the fanatically SP players are wanting Illwinter to add complex diplo with the AI, when if you just play MP you get way better diplo, because it's with an intelligent, sentient person. It just seems to me that if you want to interact with other nations diplomatically, MP is perfect for you! I just don't understand why people would be staunchly against MP, and yet vocal about adding diplo - which at best poorly mimics the MP experience. It makes no sense to me.