Themes

Nerfix · #1 September 21st, 2003, 11:12 AM

I know what those mage-priest-commanders are:
Serpent Acolytes
Am i rigth, do i have prophet skilz?

And i believe the "staff" that gives you +1 to nature is Thistle Mace. The other "staff" is something new.

[ September 21, 2003, 10:16: Message edited by: Nerfix ]

Daynarr · #2 September 21st, 2003, 11:26 AM

Correct. The other staff is Treelord's Staff (two handed weapon).

Nerfix · #3 September 21st, 2003, 12:20 PM

Treelord's Staff is in Dominions I too. I forgot that it would give you bonus to Vine >critter< summoning.
Does Caelum have Harab Seraph theme? I think i saw it being mentioned somewhere, but i'm not sure...

Daynarr · #4 September 22nd, 2003, 01:21 AM

I belive so, but I don't play Caelum much so I'm not sure.

Pocus · #5 September 22nd, 2003, 01:41 AM

I dont know (sure!) if some costs changed, but the fastest mean to make vine ogres in doms I (except being Pangea and his natives nature 3 Pan) went like this :

get some druids, from the numerous indep provinces which have them (nature 2)
have them build thistle mace (cost 10 gems) and Ivy Crown (5 gems)
cast ritual of summon vine ogre. Will bring 2 vines ogres for one gem.

Daynarr you seem to imply that in doms II it is better to goes for the big items + Ivy king before conjuring them in masse ? The Treelord staff in Doms I cost 40 gems. I suppose the Ivy King cost either 20 or 40 gems. Thats a bunch of resources comitted before starting to invoke vine ogres?

Daynarr · #6 September 21st, 2003, 02:10 PM

The costs aren't different.

I was just referring to max damage you can do with them early, not the cheapest way (6 vs. 2 ogres is quite a difference). Of course, getting 5th level in nature also enables you to cast Mother Oak and Gift of Health so its sort of "side effect" and getting Mother Oak early would make up for nature games you spend before.
Panganea can do it too, probably even faster, but they would have trouble with water nations and won't have Hydras to accompany those Vine Ogres (deadly combo).

On smaller or special-site-rare maps its probably not possible but on larger you will probably find enough nature sites to get this done (of course there is a luck factor in it all).

Daynarr · #7 September 21st, 2003, 02:12 PM

Not 100% sure but Druids are much harder to find, however Sages are much more common.