Making mods for Dominions II. [Basic editing/modding discussion.] - Page 10

Nerfix · #91 September 28th, 2003, 12:49 PM

Oh sure i am young, but i am also an idealist.
WE, i'll now leave this thread and suggest that you change this threads name to "The Dominions II raping thread".
You are just so pissed off because you may actualy NOT get your modding tools.
You sicken me, you all sicken me deeply.

[ September 28, 2003, 11:56: Message edited by: Nerfix ]

Aristoteles · #92 September 28th, 2003, 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by johan osterman:

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Originally posted by Zerger:
I vote for modding indeed! I love to play with mods, for all games. There are many mods with outstanding quality.
We need mods in Dominions 2. Please release the tools for it.

There are no tools as such, so in order for tools to be released they will have to be made from scratch.

It will be hard work to release such tools? I am sure that the players will be patient, and wait for it, whenever it will be released.

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Originally posted by Nerfix:
Oh sure i am young, but i am also an idealist.
WE, i'll now leave this thread and suggest that you change this threads name to "The Dominions II raping thread".
You are just so pissed off because you may actualy NOT get your modding tools.
You sicken me, you all sicken me deeply.

Actually, YOU are sick. I never ever seen such a mindless person like you.

[ September 28, 2003, 11:58: Message edited by: Aristoteles ]

Aristoteles · #93 September 28th, 2003, 02:00 PM

I agree. Unit/Nation/God editors are what we need first of all.

Spell Editor! WooT! That would rock!

PDF · #94 September 28th, 2003, 02:14 PM

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Originally posted by Kristoffer O:
What kinds of modding tools do you prefer (in order of importance). We can make a poll when we have a number of suggestions.

Tools for remaking nations seems popular and is probably not too difficult to implement.

Adding monsters is already possible, but only in scearios. Probably more interesting if combined with a nationmodder.

Other mods such as unit editing is more difficult to implement.

What good mods are there in other games. We will need to delve into this and might need some guidance.

New nations without corresponding units won't be that useful ... IMHO the best that can be done is to allow the current "monster edit" to work with standard games. Then modders would just need ability to rename "national stuff" to make the world they want. The maps are already moddable/editable isn't it ?
And anyway the best "modding tools" are *no* tools, but external data files (text for all units/rules/script stuff, gif or other for gfx, wav/mp3 for sound/music, etc...).
Best examples of that moddability are TW series or Europa Universalis series, they sport very good mods and fan-made tools

And Hi Nerfix

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Mortifer · #95 September 28th, 2003, 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by PDF:
And anyway the best "modding tools" are *no* tools, but external data files (text for all units/rules/script stuff, gif or other for gfx, wav/mp3 for sound/music, etc...).

That is a good idea as well, dbase files to edit the pretenders/units/nation etc. Also we could just link the gfx files to the units. Voila its lot more simple for the devs, but a bit harder for the modders. Of course good modders cant be bothered by that.

The key is that we need the ability to edit pretenders/nations/units...its up to the devs, that how. An additional spell etc. editor would be a great addidtion indeed, but it is not that neccesary.

[ September 28, 2003, 13:21: Message edited by: Mortifer ]

Aristoteles · #96 September 28th, 2003, 02:28 PM

Hrm, one more thing. We need a 'mod launcher' or something like that, if that will be possible.
Example: We modify the game files, but all of those could be placed in a new directory! We could choose out, that what mod to play with that way, without overwriting the game files themselves.

Zerger · #97 September 28th, 2003, 02:37 PM

I love to mod with database files! Its the real oldschool type of modding.

Btw I agree with Aristoteles. A mod loader would be excellent. I dont think that it will be hard to script.

Pocus · #98 September 28th, 2003, 02:38 PM

The fact is that a vast majority of players like the *possibility* of modding a game. Not for them, but for the 0.01 % of players which will try to modify the game. The debate of open games versus closed ones has been raging for years, but very few people still think that he has to be proven that mods are good for a games, and for the studio behind it(just go to game sites like gamedev.net ,gamasutra.com, the newsGroups on game design, etc., nobody would dare pretends that modding is bad for a game!). Just think Half Life and Counter strike (FPS), Neverwinter night (RPG) big fan community, which led to tremendous increase in selling (more than 4000 fan modules and universes have been done, with more and more player attracted), Civilization I, II, III (I think it has not to be proven that the huge fan communities helped these games be so 'persistent' on a market which is rather transient.

Often it has nothing to do with game balancing. Thats just that you cant have a game witch cover all topics and sub genres of a given genre. Be it Middle Earth or Melnibonee, you have nation names and definitions which are not covered by the actual dominions game. The point of the modder here would be to design scenarios which are more faifthful to the world they are working one. It has nothing to do with the scheme of reaping Illwinter of their good work.

The thing most needed is perhaps the ability to modify unit stats, create new ones, and add them to a nation.
Modding of a nation too goes with that.

[ September 28, 2003, 13:40: Message edited by: Pocus ]

Zerger · #99 September 28th, 2003, 02:42 PM

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Originally posted by Pocus:
Just think Half Life and Counter strike (FPS), Neverwinter night (RPG) big fan community, which led to tremendous increase in selling (more than 4000 fan modules and universes have been done, with more and more player attracted), Civilization I, II, III (I think it has not to be proven that the huge fan communities helped these games be so 'persistent' on a market which is rather transient.

How true.

Mortifer · #**100** September 28th, 2003, 02:49 PM

Aye, I am also sure that the ability of modding will increase the # of the sold copies.
As Pocus said, modding is attracting more and more people, also its fun to play in different game worlds, and not just in the original.

PS.
More than 100 replies in the thread alrady!

[ September 28, 2003, 14:02: Message edited by: Mortifer ]