Whare are you from?

[Psitticine]

I can't remember the exact limit in the demo-beta, but it was somewhere between 40 and 60 turns. It was definitely enough to get into the endgame on a small map, and winning would certainly be possible.

[Saber Cherry]

A 50-turn, unlimited demo seems fine with me. It would give a better feel for the game than the current limited demo, in my opinion (where a lot of things seem uncounterable, and a lot of nations seem unbalanced, because the counters are off-limits unts or spells).

I think it is a good decision, as long as the turn limit is high enough to see the late game on a very small map. While giving a better feel for the game, it would less possible to use the demo as a total replacement for the retail game, since people would not really want to start serious MP games that they could not finish. In SP, while every map would be playable, only the small or very small ones would be worthwhile to consider starting a game on.

-Cherry

P.S. Although personally, if it were me, I would also make three of the nations off-limits in the demo - probably 2 of the old nations, and one of the new nations.

[ October 08, 2003, 16:50: Message edited by: Saber Cherry ]

[johan osterman]

Research is still limited to lvl 4 in the demo. But all nations have access to all thier troops.

[Psitticine]

Gandalf,

Something I will probably become famous for saying a bit too often is that, whether I or anybody else agrees or not with them or not, I'm always glad to see people stepping forward to voice their opinions in a constructive, intelligent manner. It doesn't do anybody good for people to keep silent when they see something they feel is a problem.

Just my 2¢, of course. I obviously can't speak for Richard or Tim, but I'd be quite surprised (stunned, actually) if they'd want anybody to cease speaking up just because they don't share the same viewpoint.

Maybe this post is a bit unnecessary, but I wanted to say all that publicly as a general statement to everyone on how I feel this board can be at its best. I hope everybody will follow your example and speak out in an adult manner on the things that concern them. So far, I think we've been doing very well on that, actually!

Psitticine the Community Spirit Parrot

[LordArioch]

No! Suggesting that a new race be set off limits in the demo is a bad idea...because I want to try them until I get my copy.
But I think the restraints as mentioned sound pretty good...on a small map by 50 turns you pretty much know how its going to turn out anyway.
And I do think the old demo might have been a bit too generous.

[johan osterman]

Not all of the races are included in the demo, the ones excluded are ones that might be somewhat problematic to beginners, like Ermor.

[Psitticine]

I'm sorry to hear Ermor won't be in the demo. I can see how they're rough to play against, but beginners might have a good time playing as them. The undead and Death magic are also a big part of the game's flavor.