The most complex game?

PvK · #1 January 10th, 2004, 01:39 AM

True. Complexity is a very subjective and mutable term.

However, some other nicely complex games (of completely different genres - some might argue these are simulations rather than games, but they are also games), which are also some of my Favorites:

Point of Attack 2 (HPS Simulations)
Tigers on the Prowl series (HPS Simulations)
Combat Mission (see Battlefront.com)
Panzer Elite (Wings Simulations)
Falcon 4 (MicroProse)

Point of Attack 2 definites comes to mind when I think of the most complex game.

PvK

Lord Hammer · #2 January 10th, 2004, 02:06 AM

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Originally posted by PvK:
True. Complexity is a very subjective and mutable term.Point of Attack 2 definites comes to mind when I think of the most complex game.
PvK

Decisive Action (HPS), now that's another one

...aren't games supposed to be fun?

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PvK · #3 January 10th, 2004, 05:15 AM

They are extremely fun, if you are a detail maniac, like I am. I think the most total fun I've had with computer games is with the Tigers on the Prowl series, which has merely functional MS-DOS graphics, sound that is best turned off, a steep learning curve and a large "find out what a PSW231/7 is yourself" element. It was so well done though, that it made me interested in finding out what a PSW231/7 was! I'm not alone either - there were many very satisfied fans of the series, and we had some great times playing the game via PBEM. Once you get into such a game that is well done, there can be a lot more to enjoy than in a simpler game, for players who are interested.

PvK

Lord Hammer · #4 January 10th, 2004, 06:38 AM

@PVK...
Don't get me wrong, i have every Talon Soft, HPS, SSI, SSG etc... game there is and spent most of my childhood playing Avalon Hill boardgames. I built every WW2 model i could get my hands on and have a vast understanding of the art of complex warfare

. But a "few" have too much minutia for me is all eg: Point of Attack 2 and Decisive Action.

PvK · #5 January 11th, 2004, 12:12 AM

Sure. Different players have different tastes. Details also don't necessarily make a good game. Some games also take some time to appreciate. I was totally confused and didn't enjoy my first game and a half of Tigers on the Prowl, but then I caught on, and got to the point where I could appreciate how well done the many different factors were, and that kept me very entertained for many years. It did also ruin my interest in less-detailed WW2 tactical games, though. When I try to play the Battleground series, or Steel Panthers, or when I look at the results of a strafing run in IL-2 Sturmovik, I can't help but groan and lose interest. Kind of like a Dominions fan thinking about playing Age of Wonders. Though, even that is an oversimplification - I know there are players who enjoy both, and/or who enjoy both TOP and SP, etc. Every player seems to have a unique set of tastes and sensitivities.

PvK

mercurycs · #6 January 11th, 2004, 01:57 AM

I have to say that Avalon Hill's boardgame "magic realm" has topped my most complex game list. it took me years to learn it and sadly, i am the only one that i have ever met that has played it. glad it had a solo varient.

[ January 10, 2004, 23:57: Message edited by: mercurycs ]

Karacan · #7 January 11th, 2004, 06:18 AM

Too bad you're in the US, then.

We play it once every two months, according to the season spirits.

Love the second edition of Magic Realm...