Luck/Order scales after 2.06 Patch

[Catquiet]

Population loss events should kill a set number of people. Multiplied by Misfortune or divided by Fortune.

[ywl]

Originally posted by apoger:
>So your solution to misfortune being a no brainer is making it better?

>I take it you would prefer to leave misfortune without effect so you could have high incomes and many events that are mainly good

No, but I see luck/misfortune differently than you guys.

Good Event: Gain a lab
Bad Event: Lose lab

On the surface these look equal and symetric.
However the lost lab will often happen at a protected location where mages are being produced and research is being done. The gained lab occurs at a random spot that is vastly less likey to be helpful. Effectively, losing a lab is much more hurtful than gaining a lab is helpful. The luck tables you are using don't account for this at all, and this skews things towards bad luck.

Furthermore there are events like losing 1/3 of a population or being attacked by powerful armies. These events are much worse and more common, than their opposite effects.

Honestly, we could agrue forever about this.
What I'll do is play with the mod tools and see if I can make a formula that make me happy. That way everyone wins.

The same can be said for the unlucky events though. Losing 1/4 of population in the mostly unpopulated mountain province is not significant neither. When your Kingdom get bigger, those population event is less likely to hit home.

But as you said, just have numbers that everybody agreed beforehand. They're now mostly modifiable now.

Alex, that is not a very deterministic test.

Luck is modified by terrain. If you wanted to do a realistic test, try getting one of each base type of province (1 Forest, 1 Coast/Riverland, 1 Mountain, 1 Barren/Desert).

Then test.

Then you can more accurately judge the effects of both luck and unluck. Just doing a home province test is more like shooting in the barrel. Because if one of your 'testers' is on a river province/coastline and the other is not, suddenly that coastal province has terrible luck no matter what because it gets hit by flood/hurricanes while the mountain province gets 'good' events like mines.

[Gandalf Parker]

Originally posted by Zen:
Alex, that is not a very deterministic test.

Luck is modified by terrain. If you wanted to do a realistic test, try getting one of each base type of province (1 Forest, 1 Coast/Riverland, 1 Mountain, 1 Barren/Desert).

Then test.

Ouch. Feel free to use the mini map for that. The game doesnt really care what the TGA says so editing the terrains in the .map file would be fast and easy.
http://www.techno-mage.com/~dominion...ions2/Mini.tga
http://www.techno-mage.com/~dominion...ions2/Mini.map

[ywl]

I got one very interesting lucky event in my test. Basically, it adds another site to the province "The Deepest Cave" that give 1 earth gem per turn. And because of that, I need to fight off a small Troglydate (that trampling underground thing) army.

[SurvivalistMerc]

I think a real test would be to control the entire world except for about 5 provinces (the same ones in each case) and let it run for about 30 or so turns.

Large numbers of provinces seem to dramatically increase the number of events.

The most positive thing about bad luck is that its worst effects are usually delayed until you are winning.

But not always. I've lost my lab in my home province on turn 6 or so if memory serves, and I've had that horrible flood event early on also.

I don't even want to think about ancient presence in the home province. I haven't had that one yet, and I wager it is linked to a positive magic scale, which I seem to seldom use. Drain isn't that hard to overcome if you put a bit of death magic on your pretender.

There is a maximum of 3 Events per turn, so having more than say 10 or so doesn't dramatically increase the frequency.